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Nadjimo Srpske reci u proto keltskom recniku
goran-pavlovic
29. novembar 2014. u 16.22
Ovo je lista Keltskih reci koje imaju kognate u Srpskom, a koju je u proto keltskom recniku nasao jedan nas covek pre par godina. Lista nije potpuna jer je covek pod ljuvacinom digao ruke od daljeg istrazivanja. Ajde da svi zajedno pokusamo da nastavimo ovu analizu i vidimo koliko još reci možemo da nađemo

Evo ovde linka do recnika

http://www.wales.ac.uk/Resources/Documents/Research/CelticLanguages/ProtoCelticEnglishWordlist.pdf

A ovo je lista reci koje su do sad identifikovane kao kognati. Reci su date u formatu: Engleski, Keltski, Srpski.

(*curly) hair | *gourjo- | kovrdzava/grgurava (curly) kosa (hair)
(be) quiet | *tauso- | tiho (quiet), tišina (silence)
(night)mare | *moro- | mora
(sea-)harbour | *kaφno- | kopno (coast e.g. when looked from see)
(who/what)soever | *kʷinnako- (??) | ionako
*heap (?) | *tus-tV- (Gall., B), *teus-t- (W, B) | tušta (abundance of something.. e.g. on heap)
story | kastu | kazati (to tell)

less obvious cognjates
*battle-leader |*ioudo-walo- | ioudo -> ljudi = people, thus leader of people not of battle
(hind)quarter (?) | *kʷetr-anī(-) (?) | obviously derived from number 4 - četiri, četvrt (quarter)

english | proto-Celtic | serbian
a third | *trijano- (?) | trećina

less obvious
accuse | *kom-soud-e/o- (?) | sud = court, judgement „kome sude” = the one who is accused

acorn (fruit of oak tree) | *messu | meso (meat) as eatable inner part of usually animals, but sometimes used for fruits as well...

air | *weto | vetar (wind)
agriculture | *aro | orati (to plow), oranje (plow as verb and noun)
ahead | *(?) φrākoair | preko (across)
all, every | *kʷākʷo | svako

less obvious

allow | *dam-je/o- | dam je ('I give her', as in allowing e.g. marriage of daughter)
against | *writ(i) | protiv
although | *kei, *ki (?) | iako

anger | *wi-s- (??) | bes (anger)
anger | *lūto | ljuto (angry)
ant | *morwi- | mrav

assemble | *kom-datl-āje/o | komad (piece), komadati (disassemble)
aunt |*mātṛkʷā | mater (mother), matorka (older lady in slang)
ball | *glāwo- (?) | glava (head)
be dark | (*teme-) | taman (dark)
bitter | *gorsti- (?) | gorki
blame | *karjā | karati
blame | *kʷin-u- (?) | kinjiti
blood | *kruwos- (?) | krv
bloody | (*krewa-) | krvav
blunt, short | *mutt | mutav (blunt, mute)
boil | *brenn(j)e/o- (?) | vrenje
bow | (*le(n)k- (?)) | luk

not so obvious cogjates
being | buti | biti (to be), budi (you be)
beetle | *swīlā- (?) | svila (silk)
bed | *leg-jo, *legos | lego ja ( I have lay down to sleep)
benefit |*su-koro | korist
before | *φar(a) | pre
belt | *krisso | kaiš

breathe (?) | (*dū-) | duh (ghost), dah (breath), disati (breathe), duvati (to blow)
bridge | *brīwā- (?) | brvno (body of tree used as a improvised bridge)
bright | *belo-, beleno- (?) | belo (white)
brother | *brātīr | brat - PIE*
brow | *bruwi- (?) | obrva - PIE*
burn | *teφ- | topiti (melt)
buttocks | *getto- (*gesdo- ??) | guza
by | *φari | pored (by, next to)
car | *kʷol-ō | kola - possibly derived from old words for wagon
care | *maro- (??) | mariti
carpenter's tool | *kantairV- (??) | kantar (weighing tool - scale)
circle | *kuro- (?) | krug
cleft | *bulko-, -ā | pukotina
clothes | *wīs-kā- | veš < PIE *wēs-kā
cloak | *tonakā- (?) | tunika
coal | *goglo | ugalj
cough | *kʷasto | kašalj
counter |*φrit- | protiv
( „counter-strike” - *φrit-gʷani- , and „counter-swear” - *writ-tung-e)
cow | *bou | vo (ox)
cuckoo | *kouko-, kukā | kukavica - obviosuly based on sound bird produces
cultivated (*ploughed) land | *φolkā | polje (field)
curly | *krikso| krivo (not straight)
danger,illness | *gustu | gusto (dense) - used also for difficult situations such as danger, tough illness
dark | *temeno | tama(darkness) , tamno (dark)
daughter | *merkā | ćerka

less obvious:
buds | *bakl- (??) | baklja (torch)
build | *dema- | temelj (foundation of buidling)
chin,cheek | *groudos | grudi (breast - also in males) - common point - part of body that is sticking out...
cloud | *neglo- (??) | magla (fog)
cream | *soimeno- (?) | seme(no) (seed)

daughter | *genet(t)ā | žena (wife, woman) - Celtic word sounds to me as a demunitive for word woman
day | *din | dan
dead | *marwo | mrtvo
dear | *dreuto- / *drouto-, *drūto | drago
decay |*mrato | mreti (in process of dying)
deceive | *lug | lagati (to lie)
deception | *kloφni- | klopka (trap)
deep | *dubno-, *dubni | duboko
deer | *el-lant-ī- (?), *el-an-ī | jelen
defecate | *kakk-āje/o | kaki(ti) (usually used for small children, babies)
depraved | *mallo | malo (=little)
depth | *dubno-tero | dubina
detach |*skart-āje/o | škartirati (throw away, reject) - could be loan perhaps germanic
dirt; anger | *brokkV- / *brukko-, -ā- (?) | bruka (emberassment - which is in fact a word for dirt event that cause anger)
disgust | *gragni- (?) | grozno (disgusting), gadjenje (disgust), zgroziti se (to become disgusted)
dog | *kwū, *kun | kuče, kuca (small dog), kuna (martel)
door, gate | *dworestu- (?) | dvorište (garden), dveri (gate, door)
double | *dwei-φlo | duplo
dough | *taisto | testo
dove | *kolombo- (or < Lat.?) | golub
drink | *φib-e/o- | piće (drink), piti (to drink) - φ was so far always 'p'
druid |*derwo-wid- (?) | drvo (tree) + vid (vision) - world was seen as a tree...druids were people able to see in the tree

not so obvious:
doctor | *lī(φ)agi- (??) | lekar
dawn | *wāsri | zora
dig | *kʷal-e/o | kal (mud, ground)
ditch | klado | klada (log) - guess due to bugs bunny cartoons but I always imagine ditch behind a log.

goran-pavlovic
29. novembar 2014. u 16.22


breathe (?) | (*dū-) | /duh |duh (ghost), dah (breath), diišat| disati (breathe), diišat( to breathe)| duvati (to blow)
bridge | *brīwā- (?)| brevno| brvno (body of tree used as a improvised bridge)
bright | *belo-, beleno- (?) | belii| belo (white)
brother | *brātīr | brat| brat - PIE*
brow | *bruwi- (?) | brovi| obrva - PIE*
burn | *teφ- | topit (sink) | topiti (melt)
- buttocks | *getto- (*gesdo- ??) | guza
- by | *φari | pored (by, next to)
- car | *kʷol-ō | kola - possibly derived from old words for wagon
- care | *maro- (??) | mariti
- carpenter's tool | *kantairV- (??) | kantar (weighing tool - scale)
circle | *kuro- (?) |krug| krug
-cleft | *bulko-, -ā | pukotina
-clothes | *wīs-kā- | veš < PIE *wēs-kā
cloak | *tonakā- (?) |tunika| tunika
coal | *goglo | ugl| ugalj
cough | *kʷasto | kasliat| kašalj
counter |*φrit- | protiv| protiv
( „counter-strike” - *φrit-gʷani- , and „counter-swear” - *writ-tung-e)
cow | *bou | bul| biik| vo (ox)
cuckoo | *kouko-, kukā | kukuška| kukavica - obviosuly based on sound bird produces
cultivated (*ploughed) land | *φolkā | pole| polje (field)
curly | *krikso| krivoj| krivo (not straight)
danger,illness | *gustu | gustoj| gustugusto (dense) - used also for difficult situations such as danger, tough illness
dark | *temeno | tama(darkness) , temno| tamno (dark)
daughter | *merkā | docurka (daugther in diminutive)| ćerka

less obvious:
buds | *bakl- (??) | fakel| baklja (torch)
-build | *dema- | temelj (foundation of buidling)
chin,cheek | *groudos | grudi| grudi (breast - also in males) - common point - part of body that is sticking out...
cloud | *neglo- (??) | mgla| magla (fog)
cream | *soimeno- (?) | semena|seme(no) (seed)
daughter | *genet(t)ā | žena| žena (wife, woman) - Celtic word sounds to me as a demunitive for word woman
day | *din | den| dan
dead | *marwo | mertvii| mrtvo
dear | *dreuto- / *drouto-, *drūto | dorogoi| drago
decay |*mrato | umeret| mreti (in process of dying)
deceive | *lug | lgat| lagati (to lie)
-deception | *kloφni- | klopka (trap)
deep | *dubno-, *dubni | gluboki| duboko
deer | *el-lant-ī- (?), *el-an-ī | olen| jelen
defecate | *kakk-āje/o | kakat| kaki(ti) (usually used for small children, babies)
depraved | *mallo | malii| malo (=little)
depth | *dubno-tero | glubina| dubina
-detach |*skart-āje/o | škartirati (throw away, reject) - could be loan perhaps germanic
-dirt; anger | *brokkV- / *brukko-, -ā- (?) | bruka (emberassment - which is in fact a word for dirt event that cause anger)
disgust | *gragni- (?) | groznii (threatening) grozno (disgusting), gadjenje (disgust), zgroziti se (to become disgusted)
-dog | *kwū, *kun | kuče, kuca (small dog), kuna (martel)
door, gate | *dworestu- (?) | dvor| dvorište (garden), dver| dveri (gate, door)
-double | *dwei-φlo | duplo
dough | *taisto | testo| testo
dove | *kolombo- (or <Lat.?) | golub| golub
drink | *φib-e/o- | piće (drink), pit| piti (to drink) - φ was so far always 'p'
druid |*derwo-wid- (?) | drvo | drevo (tree) + vid| vidit (vision|to see) - world was seen as a tree...druids were people able to see in the tree

not so obvious:
doctor | *lī(φ)agi- (??) | lekar| lekar
dawn | *wāsri | zaria| zora
- dig | *kʷal-e/o| kal (mud, ground)
- ditch | klado | klada (log) - guess due to bugs bunny cartoons but I always imagine ditch behind a log...


english | celtic | serbian
bed | *leg-jo, *legos | ležaj

(previously I used verb to explain similarity, stupidly didnot remember obvious and quite used word)

now, we can continue:

english | celtic | serbian
dry | krasto | krasta (dried blood on wound, scab, but in fact 'crust' would be proper word if english was more logical)
duty, goal | *adilo | cilj - to recognise this one you need to pronounce it...
dung | *kagVlo- (?) | kaljavo (dirty, muddy)
eagle | *ero-, *eruro | orao
ear | *ausos | uši (this is plural)
eat | *westi, *ed-e/o | jesti (to eat), jede (he,she eats) (already before there was 'w'->'j)
edge, bank | *brū | provalija (chasm)
egg |*owjo- (?) | jaje (again 'w' -> j)
elk (?, CW) | *lono | lane (baby deer)
enclosure | *skorā- (?) | kora (outer layer, crust)
enemy | nāmant | neman (monster, dangerous animal)
evening | *weskʷro-, uskʷro- (??)| veče(r) (evening), uskoro (soon)
excrement | *kakkā | kaka
eye | *okʷlo- | oko
fall | *φesti | pasti (to fall down)
fame | *klewos | čuven PIE
famous |*ati-gnāto | po-znat
fast | *bousano- (??) | brz, brzina (speed), ubrzano (accelerated)
fast (?) | *sφraxto | spretno (skillfully, ably)
father | *tato- (*tata?) | tata, tato (dad, daddy)

less obvious:
dwelling | *ad-rostu- (??) | odrasti (grow-up) - when we try to speak of places where we dwelled first one would be where we did grow up... and e.g. animals dwell on single place while they have youngsters, till they grow up...

dunk | *tumb-e | tumbati (to move or roll stg. around...) - dunk would be to move stg. around in a fluid...

eat | *φit-e/o | pita (pie)

empty | *wāsto | pusto (empty location), pustinja (desert) - but 'w' was so far mapping to 'j' or or 'v' ..though 'v' and 'p' are alike...

ebb | *trag-jo- (Br.), *trāgjo- (Ir.) | trag (trace) - ebb is about declining...when water is declaining there is trace of it... and traces were important to hunters...so in those time traces would be the key (and almost only) example of something declining with time...

dwelling-place | *adVbV- (??) | udobno (comfortable )

fight | *wixtā, *wīk-ā- (?) | bitka (battle), vika (shout)
fill | *φlīn-e/o | puniti (infinitiv, past time would be 'punio')
finger | *bissi- (?) | prst
flat stone | *(φ)likkā- (?) | ploča
flat-fish | *(s)lisd- (??) | riba (fish)- list
flee |*tekk-e/o- (?) | utekao (past time - „had run away”)
fleece | *knab-jā- (?) | kanap (rope)
flow | *leja- | lije (to flow down as e.g. rain or spilled fluid does)
foam | *φowen-o- (-ī-) (?) | pena
forehead | *talo | čelo
forest | *kaito | gaj
forest | *φro-sto | hrast (oak)
four- *kʷetru, *kʷetweres (m.), *kʷetesres (f.) | četiri, četvoro (n)...
full | *φlāno | puno
gift | *dāno | dano (given)
gift | *φro-dā- (?) | prodati (to sell), prodano (sold)
give | *dā- | da-ti
go | *(s)teig-e/ogo | stigao (has arrived)
go | *i-tā-(je/o-) (?)| ići, ide
going | *(s)tixtā | stići (arrive - infinitive), stiže (he/she arrives)
grain | *φitu | žito
grandmother |*nanī | nana (older related woman, e.g. sister of grandmother)
grey | *udro- (?) | modro (grayish blue, e.g. as in bruise)
grind |*mela-, *mel-e/o-, *mal-e/o- (?) | melje (he/she grinds), mleti (infinitive)
groan | *stan-je/o- (?), *stono | stenje (he/she groans), stenjati (infinitive)
grove, wood |*kʷristo | hrast (oak tree)

less obvious:
food | *mastjā | mast (fat), meso (meat)
group of mowers | *metelā |metla (broom)

hair | *blawi- (?) | plav (fair haired, otherwise word means blue color)
hair | *doklo | dlaka (hair - not as a whole but as one thread of it)
haste | *britso | brzo (fast)
haunch | *kostā- (??) | kost (bone)
healthy | *jakko | jako (strong, healthy)
heat | *gʷritu | goreti (to burn)
herb, plant | *lustu- | list (leaf)
hill | *brendo- (?) | brdo
hips | *akraitsā- | kraci (legs)
hit | *toraw- (?) | udara
hold | *derk- (??) | drži (hold), direk (riser, post, column)
horse | *ekwo | konj
horse | *kaballo | kobila (female horse)
horsehair | *rauno- (??) | runo (fleece, wool)
host | *dāmā-, *dāmo | dom (home)
host | *sloug-eto- (?) | sluga (servant), služiti (to serve)
hurry | *sφisk | spiskati (to spend stg. valuable e.g. money in a hurry, too fast)
illness | *balo | bolest
insult | *makljo- (?), *tambal- (?) | makljati (to beat), tamburati (to beat) - both are kind of slang words
jump | *skak | skok
knee | *kʷenno-glīno- | koleno
know | *gnā- (?) | znati
know | *weid | vid-eti (to see), vid (vision)
lament |*φari-kan-e | narikanje
MiitarMiric
30. novembar 2014. u 20.28
Zao mi je sto mi ne ide ovo od ruke, ali možda mogu da doprinesem na drugi način. Obratiti paznju na pomen radova na stranama 239./240. deluju obecavajuce: http://www.4shared.com/office/wM267kqIce/Sedov_-_Sloveni_u_dalekoj_pros.htm
Dugo sam bio iscekivao da ova knjiga bude prevedena na srpski jezik!
Pozdrav!
Fishbed
(pivopija)
19. decembar 2014. u 11.22
Lake,loch,lokva/jezero
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