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zlato / srebro 2013
3BMT
15. maj 2013. u 11.44
Da podignemo temu koja je jako važna a spala je skoro na dno stranice i da da nastavimo gdje smo stali.

Za početak sjajan clanak od Dr. Paul Craig Robertsa i objašnjenje šta se to desilo prošli mjesec i kako:

There are many signs of gangster state America. One is the collusion between federal authorities and banksters in a criminal conspiracy to rig the markets for gold and silver.

My explanation that the sudden appearance of an unprecedented 400 ton short sale of gold on the COMEX in April was a manipulation designed to protect the dollar from the Federal Reserve’s quantitative easing policy has found acceptance among gold investors and hedge fund managers.

The sale was a naked short. The seller had no gold to sell. COMEX reported having gold only equal to about half of the short sale in its vaults, and not all of that was available for delivery. No one but the Federal Reserve could have placed such an order, and the order came from one of the Fed’s bullion banks, one of the entities „too big to fail.”

Bill Kaye of the Greater Asian Hedge Fund in Hong Kong and Dave Kranzler of Golden Returns Capital have filled in the details of how the manipulation worked. Being sophisticated investors of many years of experience, both Kaye and Kranzler understand that the financial press runs with the authorized story planted to serve the agenda that has been put into play.

Institutional investors who have bullion in their portfolio do not want the expense associated with storing it securely. Instead, they buy into Exchange Traded Funds (ETF) and hold their bullion in the form of a paper claim. The largest, the SPDR Gold Trust or GLD, trades on the New York Stock Exchange. The trustee and custodian is a bankster, and only other banksters are able to turn investments into delivery of physical bullion. Only shares in the amount of 100,000 can be redeemed in gold.

The price of bullion is not set in the physical market where individuals take delivery of bullion purchases. It is set in the paper futures market where short selling can drive down the price even if the demand for physical possession is rising. The paper gold market is also the market in which people speculate and leverage their positions, place stop-loss orders, and are subject to margin calls.

When the enormous naked shorts hit the COMEX, stop-loss orders were triggered adding to the sales, and margin calls forced more sales. Investors who were not in on the manipulation lost a lot of money.

The sales of GLD shares are accumulated by the banksters in 100,000 lots and presented to GLD for redemption in gold acquired at the driven down price.

The short sale is leveraged by the stop-loss triggers and margin calls, and results in a profit for the banksters who placed the short sell order. The banksters then profit again as they sell the released gold into the physical market, especially in Asia, where demand has been stimulated by the sharp drop in bullion price and by the loss of confidence in fiat currency. Asian prices are usually at a higher premium above the spot prices in New York-London.

Some readers have said „don’t bet against the Federal Reserve; the manipulation can go on forever.” But can it? As the ETFs such as GLD are drained of gold, their ability to cover any of their obligations to investors diminishes. In my opinion, these ETFs are like a fractional reserve banking system. The claims on gold exceed the amount of gold in the trusts. When the ETFs are looted of their gold by the banksters, the gold price will explode, as the claims on gold will greatly exceed the supply.

Kranzler reports that the current June futures contracts are 12.5 times the amount of deliverable gold. If more than 8 percent of these trades were to demand delivery, COMEX would default. That such a situation is possible indicates the total failure of federal financial regulation.

What the Federal Reserve has done in order to maintain its short-run policy of protecting the „banks too big too fail” is to make the inevitable reckoning more costly for the US economy.

Another irony is the benefactors of the banksters sale of the gold leeched from the gold ETFs. Asia is the beneficiary, especially India and China. The „get out of gold line” of the US financial press enables China to unload its excess supply of dollars, accumulated from the offshored US economy, into the gold market at a suppressed price of gold.

Kranzler points out that not only does the Fed’s manipulation permit Asia to offload US dollars for gold at low prices, but the obvious lack of confidence in the dollar that the manipulation demonstrates has caused wealthy European families to demand delivery of their gold holdings at bullion banks (the bullion banks are essentially the „banks too big to fail”). Kranzler notes that since January 1, more than 400 tons of gold have been drained from COMEX and gold ETF holdings in order to satisfy world demand for physical possession of bullion.

Again we see that institutions of the US government are acting 100% against the interests of US citizens. Just who does the US government represent?
Taurus
16. maj 2013. u 21.12
Mogu da rade šta hoće a interesantno je to da se vise niko ne usudjuje da prognozira kretanje cene zlata, bar ne na kratak rok.
Juče David Baskin kaže da se nebi iznenadio da zlato padne i na 850 dolara !!!
On inače nije ljubitelj zlata pa može tako da prica ali do leta se još može svasta desiti. Ipak na duzi rok se zna šta će biti.
Mislim da su velike manipulacije i sa sirovinama. Cena gasa je veca sad nego sto je bila u Decembru. Danas posle objavljivanja stanja cena ja malo opala i sutra u 1 sat se objavljuje „rig count” i to je zadnja sansa da se pokriju short positions.
U ovakvim situacijama elektrane be trebale da se prebace na coal, ali oni i njega podigli...
fcuk
(A)
17. maj 2013. u 00.00

Ako je stock market prenaduvan, i ako se desi da pane tj. pukne. Šta se desava sa cenom zlata. Dali zlato uvek prati berzu?
3BMT
17. maj 2013. u 06.23
Najcesce i zlato pada jer svi bjeze s berze, sve prodaju da pobjegnu u cash, a kako se cijena zlata u vecem procentu određuje preko ETF tj. garantnih papira onda se to odrazi i na cijenu.

Međutim ocekivati je da će se cijena zlata ujedno i najbrze oporaviti.

Tako ja bar mislim...

Profesor-Kanada
(Profesor)
17. maj 2013. u 08.20

Prošle nedelje, na 'Fox News' Buffett je dao izjavu da ne bi kupio
zlato i da cena padne na $800. Ovo je je dokaz da ne poznaje vrednost
zlata i novac bez vrednosti.

Pre par nedelja, na 'Fox News' jedan poznati portfolio mgr je izjavio da je jedna banka kod naših suseda zaradila na zlatu $3.6 Bil.
Taurus
18. maj 2013. u 23.12
fcuk,
Koa prvo, berza neće da pukne, vreme je za malu korekciju u Americi, mnogi ocekuju 3-5% i to bi bilo bolje nego da guraju na gore još par meseci pa da onda padne 20-30%.
Za sad sve ukazuje da će Americka ekonomija ipak rasti sve do sledeće godinea možda i dalje, a to znaci i jak dolar.
Ako bude tako onda se loše piše za zlato, mislim na kraci rok, jer na duzi rok niko neće moći zaustaviti trend od 20 godina .

Evo pozivam sve raspoložene da daju svoju prognozu:
-koliko će biti najniza cena zlata i kada?
Profesor-Kanada
(Profesor)
19. maj 2013. u 17.54

LIVE TRADING NEWS (May 19, 2013)

China introduces Gold ETFs

China’s securities regulator published provisional rules for the operation of Gold exchange-traded funds (ETF) Friday, paving the way for introducing such business into the country’s financial market.

The move will be part of government efforts to boost the development of both the Gold market and the Capital market.

China’s rapidly growing Gold market has created conditions for the development of Gold ETFs, according to the statement.

China is the world’s biggest Gold producer and consumer, with its Gold output reaching 360.96 tons in Y 2011, according to the China Gold Association.
rizling
22. maj 2013. u 12.48

Evo pozivam sve raspoložene da daju svoju prognozu:
-koliko će biti najniza cena zlata i kada?

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Ko može da odgovori na to?

Stime je povezano Ben Bernankova svakodnevna infuzija 4 miliarde $ (kupuje raznorazne papire) A to ne moze biti doveka.

Čim posustane, $ pada berza pada. Zlato postaje interesantno.

Profesor-Kanada
(Profesor)
22. maj 2013. u 15.41

Mutual Funds(gold) izgubili su preko 56% od svoje vrednosti, ali
ETF(gold) imaju gubitak od 35%.

Sada je zlato pod uticjem tehnicke analize. Pišu 'trend is your friend', ali ne at the end. Kada proracunam fundamentalnu analizu
za rudnike zlata, imacu ideju za cenu zlata.

Primer, za Goldcorp cena zlata mora da bude preko $1,100.00oz da bi
imali profit. Za veci broj(92%) malih i srednjih rudnika zlata,
cena mora biti preko $1,530.00.

Obično gde ima bakra ima i zlata. Nisam upoznat da li CUU ima zlata
i koji je %.

Neko je dao 'super ideju' da se proda CUU, od tada do danas,
CUU je otisao servero oko 20%.
Taurus
23. maj 2013. u 20.49
Rizling > Ko može da odgovori na to? <

Jasno je meni da to niko ne zna, ali sam samo onako postavio pitanje radi diskusije, onako neobavezno.

Slazem se sa tobom da će zlato krenuti na gore kad dolar pocne da pada ali šta predvidjas, koliko bi mogla biti najniza cena?

Moja prognoza je $1200

rizling
24. maj 2013. u 01.13
Slazem se sa tobom da kažemo, koliko će biti. Pa pred novu godinu da uporedimo :)))

Bas je teško dati prognozu? Jer na scenu usli su veliki igrači spekulanti kao Soros i ostali lesinari.

Pa svojim izjavama Nekome nanose vodu na mlin.

Već je tako bilo početkom 70 -ih , godina. Kada su ameri skinuli zlatni jaram sa dolara. Sve centralne banke , prodavale zlato, za bud zašto? Ali kako si vido zlato je bilo pre kratkog vremena skoro 2000$.

Lesinari uvek izmisle razlog, da bi na kraju pokupili kajmam i bili pametni. A apetit imaju veliki.

Daj ti meni odgovori, kojim parama ameri placaju KAMATU (ako placaju) za svoj dug?

A kad znamo da im ekonomija nije u formi, i to već dugo?
Prerija
24. maj 2013. u 07.24
„Daj ti meni odgovori, kojim parama ameri placaju KAMATU (ako placaju) za svoj dug?”

elektronski :) bitovima i bajtovima

rizling
24. maj 2013. u 07.31


strava su , uvek se sete nečeg :))))
Taurus
25. maj 2013. u 20.50
Najbolje se drzati uz njih, niko im ništa ne može.
Profesor-Kanada
(Profesor)
26. maj 2013. u 16.09
EAGLE Fin. Publication

Bilioner investitor George Soros izjavljuje da 12-godisnji
'Bull run' za zlato gubi snagu.

Berza ide gore, gore, gore.. dok zlato ide dole.

Suprotnost, novac se stampa a dolar nastavlja da jača.

Zlatni fond John Pollsona ima gubitak preko 18% prošlog meseca,
a Soros-ev portfolio zlata je smanjen preko 50%.

Taurus
26. maj 2013. u 16.26
Ako ga još uvek prodaju onda će verovatno još da pada. Uopste se ne uzbudjuju sto ga Kinezi i Indijci kupuju, siguran sam da postoji razlog.
Čuo sam skoro neki savet da trenutno treba investirati suprotno od market sentimenta, koji se može naći po raznim sajtovima.
rizling
27. maj 2013. u 07.18

Profesore, sve je tačno sto ste napisali.

Samo lesinari , W Buffett i , Soros i drugi, izjavama mogu da orientisu , zlato, dolar i ostalo.

Soros nije ništa izgubio, jer nije prodo zlato? Samo orientiso drugo nešto, Digo cenu i tu zaradio .

Sada lesinar ceka da zlato padne, i kupi još. A kad dodje vreme, novim izjavama, skinuce kajmak, na brzak.

To ja ovako seljacki razmišljam:)))))

Profesor-Kanada
(Profesor)
27. maj 2013. u 16.09

Rizling, tačan gornji komentar.

'Investment U' je danas objavio:

„George Soros, has dumped his entire position in SPDR Gold Shares (NYSE: GLD).”


3BMT
28. maj 2013. u 16.14
Problem je samo u tome sto Soros nije investor kao mi, on je jedan od uskog kruga onih koji diktiraju.
I niko sem njih ne zna kad je nešto prodato a kad kupljeno, nemojte se zavaravati.
norijega
30. maj 2013. u 00.42

„The implicit assumption behind that siren call must be that the inflation rate can be manipulated to reach economic objectives,” according to Volcker. „Up today, maybe a little more tomorrow and then pulled back on command. Good luck in that. All experience demonstrates that inflation, when fairly and deliberately started, is hard to control and reverse.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-29/volcker-cautions-federal-reserve-may-fall-short-.html
3BMT
20. jun 2013. u 10.19
Popodne idem u kupovinu, ovo se danas ne može propustiti.

- Silver Leaf $24.67
- Mexican Libertad $$25.75
- Silver Moose $26.24
- US Eagle $27.54
- Austrijska Filharmonija $24.41
fcuk
(A)
20. jun 2013. u 20.22
Ode u 3 lepe materine! :)
3BMT
22. jun 2013. u 09.06
Super kupujem opet.
Na zalost ne mogu onoliko koliko bih inače jer idem uskoro za Evropu pa će tu biti izdataka.

Mislim, odnosno nadam se, da će padati još malo... još možda sedmicu-dvije, ali vidjecemo.
Ice_Cold_Milk
24. jun 2013. u 10.31

„Super kupujem opet.”

3BMT,

Ti si bre ko Rotsild. Na ulici(marketu) se krvari a ti kupujes.
Salu na stranu postujem rezon. Dobra prilika da se uproseci cena.
Secam se da si kupovao dosta visoko +45.

Imam jedno hipoteticko pitanje.
Da li možeš npr kada krenes u otadzbinu da preneses novcice u Evropu i prodas ih npr u Becu ili Cirihu. Mislim odes u radnju tipa kao gde si kupio i ti njima novcice oni tebi kes.

3BMT
25. jun 2013. u 08.15
Nisam bas siguran ali čini mi se da tu ima neki limit odnosno da treba da se prijavi ili nešto slično.

Nisam bas o tome razmišljao pa se nisam ni raspitivao.
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