Uvek sam imao isto mišljenje sa Stefom, da cena akcija zlata pocinje
da pada početkom nove godine a da se kreće severno od VIII meseca.

Trenutno nije vreme da se zlato prodaje, osim ako hoćeš ponovo da ga kupis na leto kad će verovatno biti još jeftinije ali ne za mnogo.
Kao najvaznije pitanje - zašto si uopste kupovo zlato, koji su ti ciljevi ?

kako zamrznute kada možeš da prodas zlato u bilo koje doba dana? likvidno brate.

Kad opadne cijena ja odem i kupim još.
Znamo svi kako će se ovo zavrsiti, zar ne?

Fcuk@
Kupio sam ga prošle godine misleci da će biti inflacija...
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Biće inflacije ali ne još, dok se ne oporavi ekonomija u US. Kako sad stoje stvari, verovatno još godinu-dve...
Kako kaže Petar Bozovic - može bit' al' ne mora!

Nemoj zaboraviti, kad krene zlato na gore, krenuce i ostali metali i sirovine. To će pogurati berzu, pogotovo TSX, i tad će svi „zaraditi”, neko više neko manje. Zlato se koristi da se sacuva kapitalna vrednost, sto znači da neka druga investiranja imaju sansu da naprave vise nego zlato i srebro, sve zavisi od tebe, tvoje situacije i ciljeva.
Važno je da bar nešto pokusavas. Oni koji se plase i ne investiraju nigde, verovatno neće ništa izgubiti ali je sigurno da neće ništa ni zaraditi.
Za mene je najveci gubitak kad propustim sansu da zardim. Da bi zaradio - moras biti u igri...

ovo će takođe da utice na cenu zlata, dugorocno gledano;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-05/bank-of-japan-joins-fed-ecb-in-record-stimulus.html

posmatraj kupljeno zlato kao da si kupio osiguranje u slučaju nepredvidenjih finansisjkih prilika. Da je neki Kipranin imao 50k u zlatu, van bankarskog finansijskog sitema, danas bi se sigurno mnogo bolje osecao.

environmental soil reclamation from oil spills at the oil fields - to je siri opis posla

Jedno solidan komentar sa BNN u vezi zlata:

„The background news has been gold friendly. There is nothing in the news that says you should be selling your gold. Consequently there is this unseen hand in the market that has been forcing the gold and the silver price for that matter lower.”

Still, Embry says gold will see its day once again as paper money meets its demise.

„Gold is going to rise to the occasion because paper money is in its terminal state,” he says.

Embry says gold will begin to rise once again as investors realize that the U.S., as well as other countries, cannot rescue their currencies through quantitative easing measures.

„It's the realization that quantitative easing cannot be stopped. Right now there is still this conversation from various Fed members that we will be easing QE in the third quarter when the economy improves,” he says.

„The [U.S.] economy isn't going to improve that much. There is too much debt in it and consequently they have gone down this path of QE to infinity. They can't reverse it and when that becomes clearly recognized by the public that will be the catalyst to send gold up.”

fcuk, jedino pametnije sto možeš napraviti je da se prebacis na srebro.

Pa Americi bi legao jedan dobar rat kao budali samar pogotovo ako ratuje neko drugi.
A imati svoje vojne baze na granici sa Kinom je cinjenica od koje im cure bale...

Samo problem je sto to znaju i Kinezi.

Consider the 500 tons of paper gold sold on Friday. Begin with the question, how many ounces is 500 tons? There are 2,000 pounds to one ton. 500 tons equal 1,000,000 pounds. There are 16 ounces to one pound, which comes to 16 million ounces of short sales on Friday.

Who has 16 million ounces of gold? At the beginning gold price that day of about $1,550, that comes to $24,800,000,000. Who has that kind of money?

What happens when 500 tons of gold sales are dumped on the market at one time or on one day? Correct, it drives the price down. Investors who want to get out of large positions would spread sales out over time so as not to lower their sales proceeds. The sale took gold down by about $73 per ounce. That means the seller or sellers lost up to $73 dollars 16 million times, or $1,168,000,000.

Who can afford to loše that kind of money? Only a central bank that can print it.

I believe that the authorities would like to drive the gold price down further and will, if they can, hit the gold market twice more next week and put gold at $1,400 per ounce or lower. The successive declines could perhaps spook individual holders of physical gold and result in actual net sales of physical gold as people reduced their holdings of the metal.

However, bullion dealer Bill Haynes told kingworldnews.com that last Friday bullion purchasers among the public outpaced sellers by 50 to 1, and that the premiums over the spot price on gold and silver coins are the highest in decades. I myself checked with Gainesville Coins and was told that far more buyers than sellers had responded to the price drop.

Unless the authorities have the actual metal with which to back up the short selling, they could be met with demands for deliveries. Unable to cover the shorts with real metal, the scheme would be exposed.

Do the authorities have the metal with which to cover shorts? I do not know. However, knowledgeable dealers are suspicious. Some think that US physical stocks of gold were used up in sales in efforts to disrupt the rise in the gold price from $272 in December 2000 to $1,900 in 2011. They point to Germany’s recent request that the US return the German gold stored in the US, and to the US government’s reply that it would return the gold piecemeal over seven years. If the US has the gold, why not return it to Germany?

The clear implication is that the US cannot deliver the gold.

Andrew Maguire also reports that foreign central banks, especially China, are loading up on physical gold at the low prices made possible by the short selling. If central banks are using their dollar holdings to purchase bullion at bargain prices, the likely results will be pressure on the dollar’s exchange value and a declining market supply of physical bullion. In other words, by trying to protect the dollar from its quantitative easing policy, the Fed might be hastening the dollar’s demise.

Possibly the Fed fears a dollar crisis or derivative blowup is nearing and is trying to reset the gold/dollar price prior to the outbreak of trouble. If ill winds are forecast, the Fed might feel it is better positioned to deal with crisis if the price of bullion is lower and confidence in bullion as a refuge has been shaken.

In addition to short selling that is clearly intended to drive down the gold price, orchestration is also indicated by the advance announcements this month first from brokerage houses and then from Goldman Sachs that hedge funds and institutional investors would be selling their gold positions. The purpose of these announcements was to encourage individual investors to get out of gold before the big boys did. Does anyone believe that hedge funds and Wall Street would announce their sales in advance so the small fry can get out of gold at a higher price than they do?

If these advanced announcements are not orchestration, what are they?

I see the orchestrated effort to suppress the price of gold and silver as a sign that the authorities are frightened that trouble is brewing that they cannot control unless there is strong confidence in the dollar. Otherwise, what is the point of the heavy short selling and orchestrated announcements of gold sales in advance of the sales?

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is the father of Reaganomics and the former head of policy at the Department of Treasury.

As long-time students of precious metals investing, there are certain things we understand. One is that, historically, the availability ratio of silver to gold has had a direct influence on the price of the metals. The current availability ratio of physical silver to gold for investment purposes is approximately 3:1. So, why is it that investors are allocating their dollars to silver at a much higher ratio? What is it that these „smart” investors understand? Let’s have a look at the numbers and see if it’s time for investors to do as a wise man once said and „follow the money.”

Average annual gold mine production is approximately 80 million ounces, which together with an estimated average 50 million ounces of annual recycled gold, totals around 130 million ounces available per year. In comparison, annual mined silver production has averaged around 750 million ounces, while recycled silver is estimated at 250 million ounces per year, which adds up to approximately 1 billion ounces. Using this data, there is roughly 8 times more silver available to buy than there is gold. However, not all gold and silver is available for investment purposes, due to their use in industrial applications. It is estimated that for investment purposes (jewelry, bars and coins), the annual availability of gold is roughly 120 million ounces, and of silver it is 350 million ounces. Therefore, the ratio of physical silver availability to gold availability is 350/120, or ~3:1.1
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A onda preporucujem da se procita ovo:
http://etfdailynews.com/2013/04/15/eric-sprott-gold-and-silver-the-greatest-sale-in-history/

Draagi fcuk, tebi izgleda bas prija psihologija gomile. Odavno nije bila bolja prilika za kupovinu a ti kukas.

Average Annual Real Returns, 1838-2012


Stocks: 6.49%

Treasury bonds: 2.77%

Gold: 0.46%


Source: Deutsche Bank Long-Term Asset Return Study
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„Sarajlija” zar tebe zmije nikada nisu ujedale :)
Poskok je domaća zivotinja, ja mislim na one zmije sto te ugrizu a ne vidis ih.
Covek je tu istu pricu čuo i ranije, kupio zlato i izgubio, a ti mu sad tu istu pricu ponovo pricas, pa kako ocekujes da ti on poveruje.

Put do uspeha ukljucuje i dobre i loše poteze, e sad da bi uspeo moras da imaš vise onih dobrih i pozitivnih nego loših i negativnih.

Zlato se kupuje samo za zastitu kapitala, ciklusi traju dugo tako da se tek na duzi rok primeti učinak. Entry point je jako, jako važan inače može potrajati dok ne vidis profit.

Fcuk, ne zaboravi, ništa nisi izgubio dok ga ne prodas. Ako ti bas treba novac onda prodaj jedan deo i cekaj bolje dane.

Već sam rekao da sam ja mišljenja da još ne treba kupovati ni srebro ni zlato jer će cena biti još niza na leto.

Kome ne treba „zastita kapitala” pametnije bi bilo kupovati akcije rudnika, zavisno od stepena rizika ili u kombinaciji malih proizvodjaca i velikih giganata. Moji „omiljeni” su MUX i BTO od ovih malih i YRI Yamana gold od ovih većih.

A što se tiče ovih banaka, neke će možda propasti ali će se zato nove otvoriti, neki novac mora postojati, cime ćemo inače kupovati zlato ili šta ćeš dobiti u zamenu kad ga prodas? Dok bude bilo kakvog novca biće i banaka.

I ja sam malo kratak na srebru ali se ne sikiram ni sekunde.

Kad se radi o metalima onda ja to gledam kao investiciju na duzi rok a ne kao spekulaciju da obrnem nešto za dan - dva.
Mene uopste ne zanima trenutna cijena, čak sam htio da kupim još ali eto nema... steta.

Ha,ha .. pa nisam ni ja Smederevac :)

Evo i ja predvidjam povratak na $270 ali malo teško će da bude.

Mogu oni da spekulisu i obaraju cijenu papirima koliko hoće ali za koliko će se stvarno prodavati je veliko pitanje?

Čuo sam negde da troskovi od 1,000 ili 1,200 dolara nisu realni jer su tu uracunati i neki troskovi koji nemaju veze sa proizvodnjom. Navodno realna cena proizvodnje je 850 dolara, u proseku.
Problem je i to što su nabili plate, čuo sam da su neki dobili 200% veću platu, nisam siguran za koji period. Pa to su onda bonusi za direktore...
Barrick gold je u govnima do guse a dva direktora imaju platu od 2,3 miliona pa onda sledeći po 1,7 ... Glavni CEO pored toga sto mu je plata 2.3 miliona on naplatio 3.26 , ne znam kako ali eto i to može. Ne znam za čega će mu jer ima 85 godina. Uzimaju dok se može a shareholdersi neka se yebu kako znaju.

Apsolutno nebitno koliko rudari zaradjuju, to uopste bitno ne utice na bilo šta jer problem nije u zlatu nego u papirnom novcu.
Vrijednost zlata je nepromijenjiva a njegova cijena se određuje kvalitetom papirnog novca.
Ako je papirni novac kvalitetniji manje će ga trebati za jedinicu zlata i obratno.
I to je sve.

Dani US dolara kao svjetske valute su odbrojani a kad se to i ozvanici nastace haos koji će pogoditi cijeli svijet. Ali neće svi platiti istu cijenu; oni koji se pripreme na vrijeme, a ima ih koji se uveliko pripremaju, biće u prilici da u odredjenoj mjeri amortizuju sunovrat ali ne i da ga potpuno izbjegnu.
I oni će se na kraju izvuci.

I nije ovo samo propast globalnog ekonomskog sistema u pitanju, u pitanju je sumrak i zalazak cijele zapadne civilizacije koja je potrosila gorivo i nema vise šta ni reci niti ponuditi covjecanstvu sem gole sile akumulirane u danima uspona. Ekonomsko propadanje je samo posljedica moralnog i svakog drugog posrnuca i po tome ona nije ništa drugacija od drugih civilizacija koje su se pojavile, uspinjale i ugasile kroz istoriju na potpuno isti način - truljenjem.

Na nama je da se i mi pripremimo ako ništa drugo ono za svaki slučaj.
Da li sam u pravu vrijeme će reci.

proradilo :)
F5 nije odradio posao :S

Oranica je takođe jako dobra ideja.

bio skoro na rucku i u razgovoru neko spomene da cena obradive zemlje u Kanadi na istorijskom visokom nivou,

I ja sam to negde čuo ali se ne secam gde, mada mislim da se pricalo kada se navise kupuje fizicko zlato tj. nakit, prvenstveno u Indiji, čini mi se na leto kad se najviše vencavaju ali to ne znači da će cena da skoci samo zbog toga. Ovi pomeraju cenu zlata trgujuci zlato na papiru, koje najverovatnije i ne postoji ali eto, može i to.

Čuo sam nekoliko prognoza da će dolar pasti na 90-92 centa krajem godine. Jedini razlog za toliki pad može biti pad cena sirovina I metala.
Ja mislim da se pare ne upumpavaju u berzu jer se pare ne stampaju nego bankama se fakticki otpisuju krediti koje su dali za kupovine kuca i sa tim parama banke manipulisu sa cenama sirovina pa tako i sa cenom zlata. Kažu da će zlato pasti na 1200 pre nego sto pocne putanju na gore. Ja ću do leta zavrsiti neke poslove i imacu nešto slobodnog novca I tad ću da kupujem akcije velikih rudnika zlata I srebra. Za sad su mi najblizi Yamana gold I MAG silver

Odnos zlata i stanpanog papira/novca je 1:200
Za svaki dolar kupljenog zlata, prese su ostanpale $200 papirnog novca.

Šta kontolise zlato sada i u kratkoj buducnosti?

Faktor # 1 je tehnicka analiza. Karabaya je objavio druge važne faktore.

Skoro svi su presli na tehnicku analizu.

Bazirano na TA, treba da se ocekuje zadnji pad cene zlata. Posle
toga pada, trebace vremena da zlato formira svoju poziciju pre nego
sto krene severno.

Reuters:

China, the world's No. 2 gold consumer after India, bought 224 tonnes in March from 98 tonnes in February, smashing a previous record of 115 tonnes in December. That makes up more than half of record gold exports to China in 2012, which stood at 558 tonnes.

A sem toga su najveci proizvodjac zlata na svijetu.