Diskusije : Fotografija

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inorog
(otpisani član)
20. septembar 2010. u 05.48
s dpreview sajta „Fujifilm has announced the X100, a large-sensor compact camera aimed at professional and enthusiast photographers. Based around a 12Mp APS-C CMOS sensor, Fuji EXR processor and 23mm F2 Fujinon lens (equivalent to a 35mm semi-wideangle), the classically-styled camera features traditional analogue controls for shutter speed, aperture and exposure compensation. Of particular note is the new 'hybrid' viewfinder system which allows the user to switch between optical and electronic viewfinders and project detailed shooting information into the OVF. The spec is rounded off by 720p HD movie recording, a 460k dot 2.8” LCD, flash hot shoe, and magnesium alloy top and base-plate castings. The camera will be available from early 2011.„

link na isti: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10091910fujifilmx100.asp
video na: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/19/fujifilm-intros-finepix-x100-12-3mp-aps-c-based-camera-with-hyb/
alpskiSrbin
(Mile)
20. septembar 2010. u 16.52
Izgleda super. Samo da ne ide na nekih 600-700 eur ko Sonyjev NEX, kojeg sam danas malo pomerio, super mi je, ali ne mogu da zamislim 200 mm objektiv gore, nemaju ni grip dostojan.

@ecolid : Šta kažete na ove kamere, dali se pomerate sa Powershota ? ;)

ecolid19
(...)
20. septembar 2010. u 21.22
gledam taj Sony NEX-3 i 5, mislim na netu, najlaksi su, ovde su $600 i 700, sa onim standardnim objektivom, ali treba nakupovati dodatne opreme, objektiva ima 3, pa ima adapter za druge objektive, pa može da se doda i blic, i viefinder (to ionako retko koristim), pa treba i rezervna baterija, i sve to izadje na preko 1000, a već sam 2x otisla do B&H veliki foto radnje blizu je kod autobuske stanice gde stignem iz NJ na Manhattan ali su skoro ceo septembar zatvoreni, ne rade, strasno, htela bih da uzmem u ruke i vidim, pre nego se odlucim.
U druge foto radnje nisam zalazila.

Da ni ja ne mogu da zamisli sa teleobjektivom pa na tripodu, sve mislim da ima da se prevrne, za sto ima neki malecki stoni tripod da drzi teleobjektiv, gledala sam juče slike na Flickru, neki japanac postavlja.

Ta nijedan mi ne odgovara u potpunosti, u svakom slučaju ne tezina, no pomirila sam se sa sudbinom, pa sam gledala i neki mali ranac (backpack), normalno bez laptopa.
car_dusan_silni
(srednjovekovni roler ruler)
22. septembar 2010. u 21.15
ne znam da li ste smetnuli sa uma, ili niste procitali, ali ovaj aparat nema opciju za menjanje objektiva.
znaci ovo je street rig...za slikanje s boka bez gledanja.

vrlo verovatno će izbaciti još jedan sa možda 50mm objektivom, a onda verovatno i neki sa 80. pa u zavisnosti gde krenes poneses ono sto ti treba.
znaci nije kao lajka gde nosis objektive, nego aparate.
alpskiSrbin
(Mile)
24. septembar 2010. u 04.56
Kasnije sam shvatio da ima fiksnu lens. I kolko kažu da če biti Fuji početna cena oko debelih 1000 $, a bridge to far !

No, pohvalno je da su se bacili na EVF, tačno ono što sam predviđao. Klasik look če verovatno izmamiti pare sličnim klientali kao Leica. No neki napredni fotografi verovatno neče pazariti.

Ipak izašli Olympus E-5, Canon D60, i Pentax K-5. Nije ni onaj Nikon D7000 loš. Dakle ponuda je bogata, samo da još supste cene.

Vrlo mi se dopada Pentax, samo šteta što nemaju nešto slično Zuiko kvaliteti.

ecolid19
(...)
24. septembar 2010. u 22.32
Danas sam bila na Manhattanu u Sony-evoj radnji sam videla taj NEX-3 i 5, jeste mali, bio je i ukljucen ali bez kartice, tako sam prošla kroz meni, fino izgleda, sad sa objektivom 18-55 je malo tezi od mog Canona SX110. Blic koji je u paketu se jednostavno postavlja, ono sto ima u dpreview i piše je bez veze. Ja sam mala imam malu ruku, taman mi.
Nego imaju samo neku bez veze tasnicu.
Oni imaju tu promcionu cenu kamera sa 2 ojektive 16mm i 28-55mm, sve u paketu $699 NEX-3 i $799 za NEX-5, usteda je $150. Ne znam šta da radim.
kobayashi
(haiku)
25. septembar 2010. u 15.13
Kakav bre EVF, kad koriste OVF sa split prizmom koja deo svetla salje senzoru koji generise sliku za ekran?
inorog
(otpisani član)
25. septembar 2010. u 17.06
fuji ima switch za evf / ovf, znachi ima oba pa ti sam birash.
stho se sony nex-a tiche ako se nevaram najvishe primedbi je bilo za menu, shto su sad u najnovijem firmware updejtu sredili. Inache ono malo shto sam se u radnji ovde zezao sa nexom nije mi se svideo, uzeo sam oly e-p2 sa evf-om pre koji dan
alpskiSrbin
(Mile)
29. septembar 2010. u 10.35
U zdravju da vam služi taj Olympus PEN 2. Ja sam uvjek govorio da je u kompakt klasi Powershot G serija nedostižna, sada sa dolaskom PENa i sličnih NEX je situacija još bolja.

Evo recimo bio sam na svadbi u Beogradu ovog vikenda i nisam hteo Olmypus E da nosim, nego Canon G7, slike su super, a verujem da bi sa onim ISO kvalitetom uspele još bolje sa PEN serijom. Tako da ču kao alternativu za vamo-tamo uzeti verovatno neki PEN. Ako nađem nešto povoljno.

Info za wedd photo, cena je bila 1400 eur. Jeste da je bio tretman baš pun, bilo je par fotografa i kamerman. Slike su bile dobre, odlične da kažem. Bile su sve fotograferke, tako ako neko bude u BG tražio foto ja bih je odma preporučio.

Dakle svatbu sam pokrio (za sebe) sa mojim Canon G7, zadovoljan. Ali heh da sam imao onaj kvalitet na ISO 1600 ili 3200 bila bi divota. Jer sa G7 več na ISO 800 zrnatost vidna, ali za Facebook album još OK.

@inorog : ako bude PEN 1 na prodaju za neke dobre pare ja sam kandidat. ;)



alpskiSrbin
(Mile)
29. septembar 2010. u 19.02
Ovde bi da dodam nešto...sa jednom od tih wedd photograferkom sam pričao malo, i video da ima Canon 20d. Ali ta je cura napravila i najbolje slike. Sad kad gledam, taj je 20d star relativno fotoaparat, 8 Mpx.

Dakle nema drugo da kažem nego našu frazu... svaka puška u rukama Mađušića Vuka je ubojita.

volens_nolens
(.)
30. septembar 2010. u 22.36
mislim da je trziste prezasiceno sa elektronskom robom kojoj opada vrijednost.Ja još uvijek imam svoj 20D sa preko 45.000 snimaka...da napomenen nikad nisam koristio rafalnu paljbu jer nije dobro za shutter...
car_dusan_silni
(srednjovekovni roler ruler)
01. oktobar 2010. u 19.40
Evo otprilike kako jedan Olympus shooter vidi stvari, i ja se sa tim slazem.
Mnogo entry DSLR je prodato taticama i mamicama koji misle da komplikovan foto aparat će sam od sebe da slika daleko kvalitetnije slike nego onaj manje komplikovan.
Kad se svi uvere da je kupovina dSLR bez investiranje u znanje i vezbu cisto bacanje para, onda će i da nestane tih modela jer ih ljudi neće kupovati.
Evo citat:

What happened? Whether we care to admit it or not, the entry level dslr's development wasn't being driven by amateur photographers. It was being driven by the consumer, the person who bought a 2 lens kit to grab snaps of the kids and vacation. The consumer dslr buyer drove it because they outnumber the amateurs by about 5 to 1, maybe more. It was their massive buying power that got dslr's to start appearing in the big box stores, and it was their massive buying power that fueled the rapid development and fierce competition in the low end dslr market.

Most entry level dslr's never made it out of P mode. Consumers snapped them up not for the advanced features, but because they were 'the hot thing to have', and high end P&S's were pretty lame at that time. Even the techie gizmo sites started reviewing the low end dslrs. Not very well, but they were reviewing.

Whether we care to admit it or not, us dedicated amateurs were just along for the ride, getting rapid advancements at low prices. A subsidy from the consumer, for our benefit. We may well look back on the 2004-2010 period as 'the golden age' of the dslr.

Just as the consumer leaped on the dslr for not entirely logical reasons, they can abandon it just as quickly. Along come the micro ILS systems (I just hate the EVIL acronym), the performance they want in a much more portable and low profile package. Advances in sensor technology mean that systems like 4/3 no longer operate at much of a practical disadvantage. And the consumers are flocking to the micro systems in droves, leaving the entry level dslr with a huge hole in its market. It hasn't happened completely, but this trend is very clearly under way. The buzz is shifting - the micro systems are 'the cool thing to have', and the dslr is becoming 'old school', a death knell in the techie consumer market. Watch the tech hobby sites - they're giving the micro systems a lot of attention.

However, only Olympus has departed the entry level dslr market. Why? Because they're one of the few manufacturers that have a viable replacement, the Pen. Panny never was in the low end market (which may be why they didn't do so well with 4/3), and Sony hopped on the micro bandwagon at record speed. C/N haven't shut down their entry level models because they have no viable micro ILS system. Not yet. But, if PK is any indication, they're not enthusiastic about developing entry level models, PK was all enthusiast grade dslr's. Note that FF isn't looking so good either, Sony appears to be ditching it completely, and Nikon developed the D7000 and not the D700mk2. If you're feeling blue about your SHG ZD, imagine how someone who invested heavily in the pricey Alpha Zeiss glass must be feeling right about now...

Where does that leave the buyer of entry level 4/3? Well, the acronym SOL seems to sum it up nicely. Either buy an E5 or a used E3. Your consumer subsidy just left for M43. Or get a Pen, I love mine, and the SG ZD glass focuses pretty quickly on it.
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