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Šta je znak zveri?
apokalipsa4
(lovac na ucene)
09. avgust 2010. u 19.42
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat

Moj drugar je slusao Valida na Havajima. Kao sto vidite iz Vikipedije, neki kažu da je laz to što tvrdi da je bio muslimanski terorista, i da je tako nasao način da bude zanimljiv i ga ljudi slusaju.
Ono sto je zanimljivo je to da na svojim predavanjima on tvrdi da je znak zveri u stvari biti musliman. On kaže da je znak zveri na celu ona zelena traka sto ljudi nose sa stihovima iz Kurana a da znak na ruci je isto tako traka vezana na ruci na nivou bicepsa. On analizira kuran i kaže da se sve titule Muhameda podudaraju sa titulama sotone.
smatra da je zabluda verovati da je katolicka crkva neprijatelj ili da će ljudi dobijati „chipove” nego da je vlada antihrista muslimanska vlada koja se proširuje na ceo svet.
cobi63
(sportista)
09. avgust 2010. u 20.37
Kakav je taj teolog takva mu je i teologija.

Vidis on se trudi da i8zmisli nešto što ne postoji, asto nikad
neće ni ppstojati to nije važno.

Ne kaže se ZNAK, nego ZIG.

Pokusaj da celu 13. glavu Ptkrivanja uklopis u te njegove fantazije
pa ćeš videti koliko je to „istina”?
Kipe
(inzinjer)
10. avgust 2010. u 02.49
cobi63 (sportista)
Pokusaj da celu 13. glavu Ptkrivanja uklopis u te njegove fantazije
pa ćeš videti koliko je to „istina”?
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Jeste to je istina koja neodgovara nasem cobiju63.

Kipe
(inzinjer)
10. avgust 2010. u 03.08
Ja mogu reci svaka cast tom coveku,

sve sto je rekao, je istina,

za mnoge bolana.
bayernfc
(Sve)
10. avgust 2010. u 07.44
Kad si toliko pametan sto on tvrdi, hajd sada ti dokazi sve to.

molio bite da kažeš: Šta piše na zelenom materijalu sto je oko glave i šta piše na zastavi saudiske arbije... i ostale stvari sto on tvrdi...

Kud će bolji izazov zar ne

link Kur'an http://www.bhmed.org/islam/musaf/index1.htm

I ti Kipe možeš da sada dokazujes, za vas je svako upravu koji govori protiv Islama ali ni sami neznate ISLAM, sad imaš sansu da dokazite sto on tvrdi.
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Moj drugar je slusao Valida na Havajima. Kao sto vidite iz Vikipedije, neki kažu da je laz to što tvrdi da je bio muslimanski terorista, i da je tako nasao način da bude zanimljiv i ga ljudi slusaju.
Ono sto je zanimljivo je to da na svojim predavanjima on tvrdi da je znak zveri u stvari biti musliman. On kaže da je znak zveri na celu ona zelena traka sto ljudi nose sa stihovima iz Kurana a da znak na ruci je isto tako traka vezana na ruci na nivou bicepsa. On analizira kuran i kaže da se sve titule Muhameda podudaraju sa titulama sotone.
smatra da je zabluda verovati da je katolicka crkva neprijatelj ili da će ljudi dobijati „chipove” nego da je vlada antihrista muslimanska vlada koja se proširuje na ceo svet.
bayernfc
(Sve)
10. avgust 2010. u 07.47
Walid Shoebat testifies that he is a former Islamic Palestinian terrorist that found the error of his ways and found Christ Jesus as his Lord and Savior.



Shoebat writes frequently on anti-Islamist and anti-jihad websites and columns. He even has his own website to promote his message that Islam is evil and Islamic terrorists are racist murderers: http://www.shoebat.com/.



Shoebat has been travelling to universities and speaking engagements to deliver his message as a form of education about Islamist terrorism to a strikingly misled America.



Needless to say I have been a huge follower of Shoebat because of his message and his conversion to Christianity.



I have found out recently that some journalism at the Jerusalem Post and by a pro-Arab journalist by the name of Eileen Fleming have uncovered some data that may indicate that Walid Shoebat has been lying about his past. The lying accusation extends to be a fraud in that allegedly Shoebat has been his dime from his false story of his past.



The Jerusalem Post story is measured giving the appearance of reporting facts which need explanation yet is not directly saying Shoebat is a hoaxster; however there is the leading implication.



Eileen Fleming however is just plain scathing based on interviews of the Shoebat’s Muslim family and Muslim acquaintances from his Muslim life as a Palestinian.



Shoebat convincingly answers nearly every accusation on a Jerusalem Post Right of Reply section and on his own website.



Unfortunately Shoebat failed to give an explanation about donations given via his website.



Visitors to Shoebat's Internet site are encouraged to make a donation to his foundation to enable him to disseminate his message. However, a notice on the page states that for „security reasons,” the money will not be debited to his foundation, but rather to a company called Top Executive Media. The name Top Executive Media is used by a greetings card firm from Pennsylvania called Top Executive Greetings, a company with an annual turnover of $500,000. When one makes a donation through the Shoebat Internet site, the Web address changes to topexecutivegreetings.com/shoebat.



This seems to be the only active page for the company; its homepage is blank.



Asked by the Post whether the Walid Shoebat Foundation is a registered charity, Shoebat replied that it is registered in Pennsylvania.



The Pennsylvania State Attorney's office said it had no record of a charity registered under this name. (Jerusalem Post)



I am telling you Shoebat effectively answered everything to the point an appearance of a smear campaign by Leftists, Muslims and pro-Arabs. Then this Jerusalem Post bit of information shows up. Without a clear explanation Shoebat looks shady and like a scammer.



Shoebat only answer is mystifying rather than a response of clarity.



Questioned further, Shoebat said it was registered under a different name, but that he was not aware of the details, which are handled by his manager.



„I remain separate to the running of the charity so that I am not constrained by church rules,” he explained, adding that the organization's connection to certain churches meant it would be difficult for him to speak to secular audiences if he became too involved in running it.



This is a flimsy answer that makes Shoebat look like a moron for the key accusation is that money is being sent without accountability to a non-existent dummy organization.



I am telling you I still wanting to believe Shoebat being a good Islamophobe then I read Debbie Schlussel.



Schlussel says she was suspicious of Walid Shoebat but sat on some information until she read the Jerusalem Post story. Schlussel goes on to write about an email exchange that began as a discussion with a commenter. Later via some simple investigation discovered the emails were coming from a Walid Shoebat email address. She confronted the writer and Shoebat (or someone claiming to be Shoebat) says you got me.



Schlussel’s gripe with Shoebat is that he plagiarized some writing of hers and implying Shoebat wrote the information. Schlussel asked for a mere accreditation of her work and she would be happy. According to the email exchange Shoebat originally sad he would give Schlussel credit. That never happened and the email exchange roughly ended with Shoebat using nasty verbiage and daring Schlussel to sue.



Schlussel copy and pasted the email exchange on her post about Shoebat.



You decide if Walid Shoebat was the person in the email exchange. Schlussel convincingly demonstrates that it is; however the reality is that Schlussel can only say Shoebat’s email was used. Thus if Shoebat denied he sent such an email, the only thing that can be proved is where the email originated but NOT who sent them. An educated guess could be made that Shoebat sent them; however an educated guess could also suggest that someone who knows Shoebat could have sent them as well. Without a verbal confession or video of sending email Schlussel cannot actually prove Shoebat sent those emails.



On the other hand if I was Schlussel I certainly would believe it was Shoebat. That is why I said, „You decide.”



Here is another thing. I am a Schlussel fan of her investigative blogging. Yet Schlussel has problems with other anti-Islamist writers other than just Shoebat.



In the post she talks about Shoebat it is entitled, „Enough, Walid Shoebat: Why is Sean Hannity's Fake Terrorist Harassing Me?” She spends a couple of sentences accusing Sean Hannity as a plagiarist. A couple of paragraphs down Schlussel devotes a couple of sentences to World Net Daily writer Aaron Klein as a plagiarist. A few sentences after the email demonstration Schlussel attacks the credibility of Steven Emerson as a terrorist expert I suspect because he vouched for Shoebat. Indeed Muslims and Leftists hate Emerson because of his exposés. The fact remains though that Emerson predicted the affect of global Islamism before 9/11 transformed the way nations do business (e.g. airlines).



I am probably guilty of wanting to believe Walid Shoebat. I have to reiterate that I would have been completely on Shoebat’s side except for the weak answer on where donations go after they disappear to what appears to be a dummy company or charity.



So since I want to believe in Shoebat, I am taking a wait and see what else turns up that is positive or negative. If there is darkness in Shoebat the light will expose it. If there is a smear campaign the light will eventually expose that as well.
bayernfc
(Sve)
10. avgust 2010. u 07.54
UPDATE!!! Walid „The Fraud” Shoebat further exposed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC-OnNp3beU&feature=related

Provjerite i sami heheheh i ja sam sada tražio sto je tvrdio NEMA LAZ...
Kipe
(inzinjer)
10. avgust 2010. u 12.51
Bayernfc:
I ti Kipe možeš da sada dokazujes, za vas je svako upravu koji govori protiv Islama ali ni sami neznate ISLAM, sad imaš sansu da dokazite sto on tvrdi.
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To jest argument vas muslica kad neko kaže istinu u vezi vase vere,

da nepoznaje islam.

Pa ovaj covek je bio musliman, i odrekao se islam, znaš zašto,

jer je spoznao da je islam mrznja i nasilje.

Šta ti ceks, mislis „ako je moj babo musliman, ne moze moj babo

omanit i ne mogu babi orenit leda”.

Zaboravio si da su tvoji preci iz BiH bili prisiljavani i

ponizavani od Turaka da napuste hrišćanstvo i prime islam.
lesselier
(zeza)
10. avgust 2010. u 16.59
Kipe, Kipe, imaš li šta novo reci?

To smo već čuli.

Za sada su svi tvoji „argumenti” pogazeni.
lesselier
(zeza)
10. avgust 2010. u 17.06
Taj lazov Walid Shoebat koji za sebe kaže da ima svetoga duha je psovao jednu visoko obrazovanu ženu-amerikanku ko najobičnija drtina samo zato što mu je ona rekla da ne kopira njene tekstove.
bayernfc
(Sve)
10. avgust 2010. u 22.47
Kipe onda dokazi ?

ne mora niko da tebi servira nešto da kažeš daje tako, ja sam naveo fino ono sto je on kazao da fino dokazes ti. Dao sam ti Kur'an imaš internet i mogao si način šta piše na zastavi Saudiske Arabije. Ali ti ne možeš dalje jeli ako krenes znaš da nećeš nikad dokazati ono sto tvrdi taj Palestinac tkz ex terorista.

I da je bio Musliman i sada kako on kaže Hrišćanin zašto bi samo lagao o ISLAMU? Vidis kako se on para nahvatao i postao miliorner zašto ti trosis vreme KIPE??? izvoli i ti možeš kao i on i eto $$$$$ jeli mi Muslimani nemamo od toga korsiti niti straha od takvih hehehe, zna se šta ste i ko ste ali ipak tražim da dokazes sve ono sto je on tvrdio.

Znaci dokazi ti šta je on tvrdio napad koji je on uradio kao terorista u Jersualemu???? Molim i jedan dokaz i novina...???

Zar Izrael ne vrsi genocid nad PALESTINCIMA???

ma koja je to BUDALA damije znati ???

Kipe
(inzinjer)
11. avgust 2010. u 04.22
Bayernfc: Zar Izrael ne vrsi genocid nad PALESTINCIMA???

ma koja je to BUDALA damije znati ???
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Ako ti nije poznato, reci ću ti da je prije vise 3000 godina Mojsije

izveo jevreje iz Egipta gdje su bili robovi, na podrucje danasnje

Palestine, dokaz tome je da u Jeruzalemu postoji „Zid placa”

najsvetije mesto jevreja, koji datira iz tog vremena.

Muslimani, tacnije arapi neposredno posle Muhamedove smti osvajaju

velika podrucja Azije i Afrike, ukljucujuci Palestinu, poslje čega

arapi naseljvaju podrucje Palestine.

Znaci jevreji koji su starosedioci, polazu pravo na podrucje

Palestine.
bayernfc
(Sve)
11. avgust 2010. u 04.35
Molim KIpe dokazi. Ovo ponovo sto tvris je bez dokaza.
Kipe
(inzinjer)
11. avgust 2010. u 04.51
Bayernfc napusti islam i učini najpametniji potez u svom zivotu.
bayernfc
(Sve)
11. avgust 2010. u 07.56
Bayernfc napusti islam i učini najpametniji potez u svom zivotu.
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Hvala tebi, ja sam upravo zapostio, klanjao sabah i osjecam se elhamdulliah dobro - hvala Allahu dz.s.

Ja tebe pozivam u ISLAM!

Molim da odgovoris na ono sto sam tražio od tebe.
Kipe
(inzinjer)
11. avgust 2010. u 14.22
Moje srce je na strani prastanja i ljubavi tako da ja ne mogu nikad

biti musliman, posto je islamu nepoznati ti pojmovi,

veca samo nasilje i tiranija. Zalosno je da tvoja vera ubija ljude

radi mišljenja.

U islamu nije bitan Bog, bitan je samo „prorok” koji

zabranjuje da se sumnja u ono sto je on rekao, nego mora ze bez

prigovora verovat.

Ako neko nešto progoviri u vezi proroka Muhameda, sledi mu smrt,

pa jeli to može zahtevat Bozji prorok?

Ti nisi svestan da su tvoji preci u BiH su prije vise stotina godina

bili prisilavani i ponizavani od Turaka da predu na islam.

Ti verovatno živis negde gde su hrišćani vecina, koji su te

primili, dali ti sansu za uspeh, i niko te nije pitao za veru.

Ceni to, nemrzi one koji te nemrze, već budi zahvalan,

preispitaj se, otvori oci i nezivi u zabludi u vezi islama.

lesselier
(zeza)
11. avgust 2010. u 14.30
Znaci jevreji koji su starosedioci, polazu pravo na podrucje
Palestine.

I koje rešenje bi ti ponudio za palestice?

Proterati ili pobiti???
Kipe
(inzinjer)
11. avgust 2010. u 14.37
Netreba nikoga proterat i ubit, već naći kompromis,

i za jevreje i arape dati posebne države.
bayernfc
(Sve)
12. avgust 2010. u 12.00
Onda Kipe u Srbij treba dati državu i Bosnjacima u Sandzaku, kao i Madzarima u Vojvodini da nebi bilo mrznje????

***Nego u Palestini je ubijano par miliona divila, a Izrael je okupator i jedna obična teroristicka tvorevina. Pogledaj kartu Palestine iz 1945 i danas... Kazao sam lahko je stobom, kad te stjeraju u cosak onda se usitis par mjeseci!
cobi63
(sportista)
13. avgust 2010. u 17.36
Pogledaj kartu Palestine iz 1945 i danas...
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Bilo bi dobro da iti pogledas kartu pre 2000-3000 godina pa da vidis cija je
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