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Imena svih zivotinja na srpskom su onomatopejicna
goran-pavlovic
2013-05-28 12:32 PM
To support my theory that the first names of animals with distinct sounds were onomatopoeic, i have here collected the names and sounds of all major European wild and domestic animals. The names are in Serbian and then in English. I would like to ask people here to help me and supply the matching names of animals in other European languages.

I think that it is amazing that every one of the animal names in Serbian is onomatopoeic and very few in English are. As i explained earlier onomatopoeic names were used during the creation of the language, before there was sufficient grammar and word pool to explain the association between the name and the animal. This shows how old the Serbian animal names are. This also says a lot about the age of the Serbian language as a whole.

Wild animals

lav (lion) lions used to live in Europe in distant past.

the sound is laaaow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_22gJ5kB31k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGnEgAVAVIk

vuk, volk, voulk, olk, oulk

the sound is wouuuuulk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9xhOQ26QYI

(wolf)

the sound is wof,wolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvHHi3GI1XU

ris (lynx)

the sound is rissss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbhkXg9iFYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eBrv_JKuk

urs, medved (bear). Medved is the euphemistic name for bear in Slavic languages. It is used instead of the real name for bear, as invoking the real name was considered dangerous. The real name is urs.

the sound is urs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGG616qvxBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz05MkWdr9k

svinja, guda, vepar (pig, boar)

vepar (wild boar)

the sound is veeee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jniH3HfDo7Q

svinja

the sound is sviiiii
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og5rKt9VYX0

guda (grunting, groktanje)

the sound is goud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P5FxuwGlzo
elk, elen, jelen (deer stag)

the sound is eeelk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97ORGksHhKw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOEj4xVKN38

how people imitate elks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN9Rr8uM5Q4

kuna (marten)

sounds like koun, kuun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pACaNzQXn4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW2b-npfHuQ
http://sounds.bl.uk/Envir onment/British-wildlife-recordings/022M-W1CDR0001419-0300V0#_

lasica (weasel)

sounds like lasiiica
http://sounds.bl.uk/Environment/British-wildlife-recordings/022M-W1CDR0001377-1400V0
http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=On_lQ5k8eO8

Lija, Lisica (fox)

sounds like liaaaa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6NuhlibHsM

jazavac pronounced iazavac (badger)

sounds like iazavava
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwrG_HdH2oY

jež (hedgehog)

sounds like jeezhjezh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w1tIGzOPvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7VtFnJe-K0

zmija, smija (snake) the ssssss sound comes from the slithereing sound a snake makes in the undergrowth and from the hissing sound an angry snake makes to scare the enemy off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imR80hOKAJo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQY0b_G_CrI

žaba pronounced zhaba (frog)

sounds like zhabababab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gn3wFrLxqw

foka - seal

sounds like (f)oook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-LIqdjqHts

vidra (otter)

sounds like viiii
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUJDmAXsEvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07zZxaKuKT0

dabar (beaver) the name comes from the sound of wood chewing or maybe from the angry sound

chewing sounds like dabdabdab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfTubrLqXCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV8ptd_XU7U

angry beaver sounds like daaaab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXpSdyFgwvc
domestic animals

bo,vo (cow)

the sound is mpbvooou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_EsxukdNXM

ba, barav (sheep)

the sound is baaa
http://www.sheep.com/sounds/baasheep1.wav

koza (goat)

the sound is gooo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giR1o8o5KMw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU2n8HhOFi0
http://www.youtube.com/wat ch?v=Dp0Bt2cbcc8

konj, konjic, (which makes njiii sound, horse)

the sound is niiiii
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq6l5767Iek

mazga (mule)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD90xkKUHYE

magarac

the sound is magaaaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWS4Eu8E2z4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wDFGU20P9k
kokoska (chicken)

the sound is koko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU

kokot, oroz, pevac (cockerel)

the sound is kokoreku or ooroso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFhUzAwDEz4
patka (duck)

the sound is pa(k)pa(k) or k(mpbv)a(k)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlbbCPQqV2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=487jIOnY-yE
http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=zCY8jp2tZ1c

guska, gaska (guse)

the sound is guu, gua
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_28ZtSu1iZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtFHPnW5MM

ku(će), ker, pas (dog)

the sound is ouuuu, kouuuu, ku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF1lwZ24RYI
the sound is kerrrrr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y-ewncOomk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuHtyDbyEaA

macka (cat)

the sound is maaaaou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o52U05Ai5tE
wild birds

orao (eagle)

Griffon vulture, Gyps fulvus, Eurasian griffon. Grifon was one of the symbols of the Serbs

sound is closest to orr, aorr, oarr
http://www.hark.com/clips/tzxdcchmvd-griffon-vulture-gyps-fulvus-eurasian-griffon-gyps-fulvus-gyps-fulvus-a... ound-bird-gyps-fulvus-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktZ11CGKloA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBErXCxqUEA

golden eagle

the sound is very close to igal or ior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le6aZtJ7WPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMT5ZL-0yeA

soko (Peregrine Falcon)

sounds like sokosokosoko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P18xYHPGtRo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNO6acbF7n0
gavran, gabran (raven)

sounds like gaaa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZBfahJmqAQ


Čavka (Jackdaw)

sounds like chaa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kihVoeSIE7U

vrana (Crow)

sounds like vraa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP3pzQnWyb0

kukavica (cucoo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzKdAr1pLAY
Ćuk pronounced tjuk (Scops Owl)

sounds like tjuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km3D2jq1HoQ

gugutka (Eurasian Collared Dove)

sounds like gugugu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xACNJcURd5I

golub (wood pidgeon)

sounds like gogolub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n84sZIN4lv8
galeb (gull)

sounds like gaaal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qRJoMj92hw
jejina (long eared owl)

sounds like yeye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWpnonRXLfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM7WPdpiwPc

buljina (Eurasian Eagle-owls)

sounds like bu-uu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gnzzMjbOpw

svraka (magpie)

sounds like svrakakaka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxtORth2BIY
tetreb (capercaillie)

sounds like tetr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exKHNaZuT64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jipvjcP3oxE

štiglic, (Eurasian Siskin)

sounds like shtiii
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeQjBuBaIm8
Češljugar (goldfinch)

sounds like cheshcheshljuu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfjgjA_p3vQ

vrabac, dzivdzan (sparow)

sounds like dzivdziv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PYZeVT_M5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HHlFKalN0Q

senica (great tit)

sounds like senitc sesenitc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yGy5ZQdq28
roda (stork)

sounds like rodarodarodada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHWri3VHIVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YPM3rNfZNI

prepelica (quail)

sounds like prepreprep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w_GmaKN2Ik

jarebica pronounced iarebitsa (partridge)

sounds like iariariarebieareb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fe4l0G5KYY

liska (coot)

sounds like liiis liiis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxZFztVX5DQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8_yEtUbTrY
http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=2oEy_vPez7o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqPAref2aJk

čaplja pronounced chaplja (Grey Heron)

sounds like chap chap
http://sounds.bl.uk/Environment/British-wildlife-recordings/022M-W1CDR0001431-1200V0
http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=-Ay3By1RHUM

insects

zrikavac (cricket)

sounds like zrizri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZo4ZdKbqwg
cvrcak (cicada)

sounds like cvrrrrrr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bnd6Ty68FU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqys8lKsu4s

muva (fly)

muva (house fly)

sounds like movazzz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuKTheCcsE
zunzara (bluebottle), obad (gadfly, horsefly) any big loud fly

sounds like zuzzzzz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQiVnxepan4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNUd6cqh5Zk
pčela pronounced pchela but probably comes from (mpbv)(sz)ela like in polish pszczoła (beee)

sounds like mpbvsze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtK9_EKDg1E

osa (wasp)

sounds like ossssssssss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0f8vqlmxmY
bumbar (bumblebee)

sounds like bummmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDMaOdIR9nA
mandalina
(vila)
2013-05-28 05:34 PM
Simpaticno kad stranci uspeju da prepoznaju ponestto od Svetla Istine..
MEDVED napr. nikako nije ime izvuceno iz oponasanja medvedovog glasa *mrzim tu reč onopatomatopepeja ili kako to već Grci deformisu

Ali, jel istina ovo>

orao (eagle)
Griffon vulture, Gyps fulvus, Eurasian griffon. Grifon was one of the symbols of the Serbs
sound is closest to orr, aorr, oarr

Kad je Grgon *Grivon grivasti...bio nas simbol. u vreme Sumera, might be
goran-pavlovic
2013-05-29 08:48 AM
Mandalina, its me Goran. :) prepisujed direktno sa prevoda mojih istrazivanja na engleski koje postavljam na

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056938477

hvala ti na komplimentu. Jeste u vreme sumera al pre toga vince.

evo nastavak:

Most interesting is that the common word for Eagle (Orao) is derived from the sound of the Griffon vulture which only lives in southern Europe. This puts the birth place of Serbian language in the Dinaric Alps.

Also forgot two animals:

veverica (Red squirrel)

sounds like veverver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azw7BueVQ0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8hNASBFDJY

lastavica (swallow)

sounds like vicviclalalalaaastavicvicvic
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgcipZq5oMQ[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =pPri_hTK-rM[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUjgirdanV4[/url]

Another interesting things about Serbian animal names is that the only two animal names that don't match the main animal sound on the first syllable are the name for horse and the name for swallow. The horse doeas however make two main sounds of which one sounds like ko or go and the other like njiii, and it is possible that the name is the combination of the two sounds. The swallow name „lastavica” does not match the sound on the first syllable. This is actually to be expected as i used the sound of the barn swallow. Barn swallows are the most common European swallow type today. They nest in barns and cow sheds. When my father went to his parents village last year, the old people complained to him that there are fewer and fewer swallows every year. This is because the vilage is dying, there are only old people left in it and there are fewer and fewer cows and working cow sheds and barns in which swallows can nest. Once cows are gone from the cow shed the swallows are gone next year. Which means no cows in cow sheds no barn swallows. So these barn swallows only arrived with cows and cow sheds, which is well in the time of fully developed language. However before there were any cows in cow sheds, there was another type of swallow that lived around people in the Balkans: the bank swallow or sand martin. And you wont be able to guess what sound does it make. It is „laslastatatalastatata” which corresponds perfectly with the name „lasta” which is one of the swallow names in Serbian. The mame for barn swallow „lastavica” which looks similar to bank swallow but has a song that goes like „vichvichlastavichvich” basically means „swallow that says vich” or „lastavica”

http://www.hark.com/clips/rnxrmggdbd-swallow-sand-martin-bank-swallow-orn-brown-throated-sand-martin-ripari... a-bird-sound-of-an-animal
http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Bank_Swallow/sounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5hSUI gpkUY
goran-pavlovic
2013-05-29 01:00 PM
onomatopeja = onoma sto peja (peva) = onako kako je pevao...
projstina
(klosar)
2013-05-30 12:32 AM
Свака част, Горане!

Читам и твоју тему на енглеском, са линка који си дао.
Импресивно. И на енглеском пишеш лијепо и разговјетно;
научно и надахнуто.
goran-pavlovic
2013-05-30 04:58 AM
hvala. drago mi je sto bar neko sve ovo cita. ja sam od vas ovde mnogo naucio i svima sam vam zahvalan. nadam se da ću uspeti da bar deo toga vratim ovim pisanijem i da ću moći da inspirisem bar jednu osobu da se dublje pozabavi bilo kojom od tema koje sam dotakao. to je i cilj svega ovoga. kao sto sam rekao mnogo je za jednog coveka.
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