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Poreklo porodice Bach
mandalina
(vila)
2012-11-20 09:29 AM
Pogađate, razmišljam da li je Bahova porodica potekla od germanske ili sorbske loze. Bio je protestant i vrlo duhovan.
Porodično prezime verovatno vodi poreklo od imenice der Bach= Potok.

Pominje se da je o genealogiji svoje porodice pisao 1735 pod naslovom „Poreklo muzičke Bah porodice”, nisam čitala.
Bach drafted a genealogy around 1735, titled „Origin of the musical Bach family”.

On sam (Johann Sebastian) rođen je u Ajzenahu 1685, gde su živeli i otac i brojni stričevi/ujaci, da računamo da ima nekoliko generacija Bach-ova u Ajzenahu.

Gradić Ajzenah pripada Turingiji, pominje se prvi put (pod tim imenom?)u 11/12.veku, poznat je i po tome što je Martin Luter tu proveo detinjstvo, iako nije rođen tu.Naravno i fabrici NDR „warburga”...Ustvari, pomenut je prvo zamak u 11.veku, a u 12 se pominje grob viteza Bertolda od Ajzenaha.

. In 1080, the Wartburg was first the Saxon chronicler Bruno of Merseburg mentioned. The name first appears in Eisenach in 1150 in a written source, as a knight Berthold de Isenacha is to be buried

Koje je prethodno ime grada?
Meni se čini da je geografski blizu gradića Strela, koju su Sorbi držali do 9. veka.
http://www.hotels.com/ImageDisplay?neighborhoodId=6053202&type=NeighborhoodHighlight
http://www.jwcetours.com/im age/Path_of_Luther_Map.jpg

Nekad su ga naseljavali Kelti (Valasi),u 6.veku je pretrpeo najezdu Franaka.Od 9-11 veka jedan deo Turingije potpadao je pod SRPSKU MARKU,Limes sorabicus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbian_March
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Slavs_west_ter ritory_Limes_Sorabicus.jpg

Einhard piše 830ih godina da Reka Sala odvaja Sorbe od Turingije: Salam fluvium, qui Thuringos et Sorabos dividit („the river Saale, which divides the Thuringii and the Sorbs”).

Od lokalnih legendi u Ajzenahu pronađoh samo Konjarnik u okolini (legendary Hörselberg mountains ) gde su vile i bogovi hodili: like Wotan, Venus, Mother Holle of the Brothers Grimm ..a postoji i Zmajevski klanac(Drachenschlucht).

Kad pustim mašti na volju , meni ovo Ajzen-ah liči na Az-(d)ah, Ajn (d)ah...doživljam ovu reč kao i Az-dahu (prvi dah, prvu zmiju), tačnije Azhi-dahu, Aždaju.
prviarion
2012-11-20 04:36 PM
Ako su ga nastanjivali Kelti-V(a)lasi, zašto BACH ne bi bilo od BAK?
mandalina
(vila)
2012-11-21 09:15 PM
Nije mi uverljiv Bak ..
Ali mislim da je je !Ajzenah„ bio slovenski gradranije.Vidiš kako kriju jedan period, od 5-12 veka, šta se tad dešavalo?

In the east of the former Thuringian kingdom now penetrated Slavs (Sorbs, Milzener, Lusizer and Daleminzer) over the same prior to the Saale. To protect this section of the eastern border of the Frankish empire better served to the Frankish kings Thuringian dukes. This led to a re-colonization of the present eastern Thuringia and Saxony with Thuringians and now Franken who pushed back the immigrant Slavs, Germanized or intermarrying with them.

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/grossherzogtum_sachsen-weimar.htm

Blizu su Dalmatinci/Daleminci,Ljutići,Milčani,Srbi ( u Tur.marki) a Sorbi su i u Sakskoj (žuto polje na karti), pa neveroatno je da nisu i između ta dva dela.
http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Thueringen_und_thueringer_Mark+.jpg

According to legend, the Roman historian Tacitus visited the area and called on the local population, their faith, the ”sons of Thor„, the country he described as ”Thoringia„. Thuringia could also just the Celtic word for people (Teurier) be derived.
(kao kod nas Torlaci,po turevima i torovima ovaca,odatle Turlačija,Torlačija,Torlangia))

Their conversion to Christianity succeeded to 725 Boniface, who founded the first monastery in the country to Ohrdruf.(OHRA je stari naziv i za aš OHRID)
Meanwhile Thuringia had fallen again under the Franks, and Pippin had manage the 10 districts by Count. Charlemagne founded but around 804 against the Sorbs the Thuringian Mark, whose head later Mark Dukes (duces Sorabici limitis) were called..

Gradovi Gera i Lipstik(Lajpcig, u blizini)vezani su za sorbsku istoriju,Ajzenah nije daleko od Gere, gde beše velika sorbska bitka i pogibija.

Oko Gere govore južnotorlački)) (Südostthüringisch,) oko Ajzenaha zapadnotorlački (Westthüringisch) , ukup no u jednoj oblasti torlačkoj)) imaju 8 dijalekta!!!
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%BCringisch-Obers%C3%A4chsische_Dialektgruppe

mandalina
(vila)
2012-11-23 08:16 PM
Na sorbskom u gornjoj Luzici, Turingia se naziva DURIN, a pridev turingški kažu DURINČA

http://www.wortbedeutung.info/Th%C3%BCringer/

Wends came into direct contact for the first time with the Germans when the Franks and Saxons defeated the neighbours of the Wends, the Thuringians in 531 C.E. [17]
http://www.wendishheritage.org.au/wends/history.php
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