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Pribina
slavisa777
(Eadem mutata resurgo!)
2012-07-20 01:23 PM
ne znadoh gde ovo da napisem, pa otvorih novu temu, srodnu ugrima koje pominjasmo već... uglavnom, citajuci rad dr. borislava vlajica i njegov stav o moravskoj, i dalje mi nije davao potpuno pouzdane indicije, sve do ovog novog rada t. zivkovica (link na vedskoj matematici). opet, motao mi se oko blatnog jezera i „susjeda” nam buducih...ali, vilo zato videh da o „bugarskom rasu”, tumaci da je rasina...

The life of Pribina is very interesting.377 He appeared in ca. 833,
as a refugee from Nitra, after having been expelled by the Moravian
Duke Moimer. He found shelter at the Duke Ratbod in Friuli.378 It was
Ratbod who introduced him to Louis the German, who baptized him
and sent him back to Ratbod.379 After some time, he became estranged
from Ratbod and went to the Bulgarians, who were at that time in the
possession of the region of Srem, and from there he went together with
his son Kotzil (Chozil) to Duke Ratimer, who ruled over the lands
between the Sava and Drava Rivers, and who was under the protection
of the Bulgarians at that time.380 In the same year (838), Louis ordered
Ratbod to attack Ratimer and bring back his land under the rule of the
Franks. Even though Pribina had fought on the side of Ratimer, he
escaped to Ratbod and succeeded in making peace with him.381 Already
in 840, he gained land in a fiefdom from Louis the German around the
Lake Balaton, Lower Pannonia, where he founded a town, and
conducted various industrious efforts to make that wild region suitable
for agriculture and pleasant for living.382 From that year on, Pribina
became an important Frankish lord who, in 850, had built a large
church in his town (civitas Priwinae) in the presence of 15 Slav and 17German dignitaries, as well as the archbishop of Salzburg.383 In this same town, between 853 and 859, he founded a large cathedral and the archbishop of Salzburg personally sent him various craftsmen for such an immense effort. When this church was finally finished, he placed the relics of Saint Hadrian there.384 In February 860, Pribina asked Louis the German for permission to give some lands to the monastery of St Maurice. In this correspondence there is mention of his title: –
Briuuinus fidelis dux noster.385 His life ended in obscurity before the 25th of December 864; and all that was said is that he was killed during a campaign against the Moravians, quod illi* (Cheziloni) successitmoriente patre suo Priwina quem Maravi occiderunt.386
The date of Pribina’s death is uncertain. According to the
charter from the 21st of March 861, it appears that his son Kotzil had
already succeeded him at that time. On the other hand, the DCBC
provides reliable information that Kotzil ruled over Lower Pannonia in
December 864...
slavisa777
(Eadem mutata resurgo!)
2012-07-20 01:24 PM
rekoh da napravim asocijaciju sa wikipedijom za zainteresovane, http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pribina, kad potom videh da je balatonska knezevina nazivana i bjelom hrvatskom, šta god...
slavisa777
(Eadem mutata resurgo!)
2012-07-20 01:40 PM
The position of northern Serbia seems to have been known to another
Latin author since the beginning of the 10th century. Namely, in the
document written between ca. 900 and 921, it is said that the
Hungarians moved to Pannonia from Serbia (Ungarorum gens a Servia
egressa in Pannoniam).

posto ne mogu da nađemu tibora, konkretno o tom izovru, ostaje mi samo da nagadjam da je možda mislio na ovo preuzimanje u izvoru, ali tu piše Scythia!?

Andreas Dandulus, Chronicon VIII, 6 in 9, ur. Gombos (kot op. 48) I, str. 58: Eodem tempore [= ca. 885] gens
Ungarorum a Scythia egressa in Pannoniam primitus venit et eiectis inde Avaribus usque hodie manent. Haec gens
inculta nimis crudis carnibus vescebatur et sanguinem potabat humanum. ... Hoc tempore, videlicet anno 906,
Hungarorum pagana et crudelissima gens in Italiam veniens, incendiis et rapinis cuncta devastans, maximam
multitudinem hominum interficiens, nonullos etiam captivos reservavit.
slavisa777
(Eadem mutata resurgo!)
2012-07-20 01:47 PM
In the DCBC, it is stressed
that Pribina was exiled from his homeland and found shelter with
Ratbod who introduced him to the Louis the German – effectively
having placed him under Louis’ protection: In cuius (sc. Ratbod) spacio
temporis quidam Priwina exulatus a Moimaro duce Maravorum supra
Danubium venit ad Ratbodum. Qui statim illum praesentavit domno
regi nostro Hludowico, et suo iussu fide instructus baptizatus est in
ecclesia sancti Martini loco Treisma nuncupato, curte videlicet
pertinenti ad sedem Iuvavensem.484 After a short quarrel between Pribina
and Ratbod, Pribina received land from Louis the German: Aliqua vero
interim occasione percepta, rogantibus praedicti regis fidelibus
praestavit rex Priwinae aliquam inferioris Pannoniae in beneficium
partem circa fluvium qui dicitur Sala.485 In the DAI’s story about the
settlement of the Serbs, the archon is in the center of the plot, not the
Serbs as the natio. The similarities between Pribina and the archon of the
Serbs are striking: they are both refugees, both are received by the
emperor/king, baptized by him, and then are granted new land. It appears
that the case of Pribina had served as the model for the anonymous
author who wrote about the arrival of the Serbs into Dalmatia.
slavisa777
(Eadem mutata resurgo!)
2012-07-20 02:05 PM
zika je retko uman covek u nas...a neverne tome, posto procitaju njegov rad mogu da skapiraju koliko znaci pomoć dr. tabanca, u svetlosnim godinama!!

premda, moram priznati da je steta sto ima animozitet prema istorijskom stavu, arheologa jankovica...uvideo bi koliko idu jedno-drugom u susret u vezi porekla hrvata...dosao je do same granice potvrde njihovog pravog porekla...

Pozdrav!
Svjatoslav
(cernorezac)
2012-07-22 08:10 AM
Nije samo Blatno kneževstvo nazivano „Belom Hrvatskom”, čak je i Lužička Srbija nazivana „Belom Hrvatskom”, verovao ili ne...baš juče sam pročitao taj podatak u onom tekstu od britanskog antropološkog instituta...

Inače, ne znam mnogo o ličnosti Pribine, ali znam za manastir Pribina glava...nekada zvanom „Pribiglava”...Rečnik slovenske mitologije, čini mi se, ga povezuje sa jednim starim paganskim slovenskim bogom, Pripegalom, o kome svedoči poslanica arhiepiskopa Adelgota iz Magdeburga iz 1108. To je onaj najkrvoločniji antihrišćanski bog kod Slovena.
Istorija ima čudne tokove.. iz „Pribine glave” su Škorpioni krenuli za Srebrenicu 1995...eho starog kulta, ili šta već...
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