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Sorbski grad u Kini?
sedava
(hostesa)
2010-12-05 07:31 PM
Naslov je moja asocijacija na tekst i sliku koje sam videla tek veceras u Njujork tajmsu (od marta ove godine) i koji govori o 200 mumija pronadjenih blizu Tarim Basena..Ljudi (koji su mumificirani) su dinarskog, evropskog tipa i živeli su na tom prostoru 2000 godina pre pominjanja Tokaraca.Ukupna starost mumija je oko 4000 godina.

No, Njujork tajms je obavio sliku 13 ooo balvana poredjanih u krug na brezuljku (sa odvratnom opaskom) i ta slika je istovetna sa osnovom sorbskih gradova koje imamo ocuvane ili restaurirane u istocnoj Nemackoj, kao nasledje Srba (Sorba ili Wenda)..Uporedite sami, ja sam uporedila drvenu okruglu tvrdjavu iz Gross Radena sa ovom kineskom:

http://serbdom.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/2535395-zemlja-kitajska?page=last

Bilo je ovde tema o Sarbima i njihovim potomcima u Kini.

newdawn
2010-12-06 09:16 AM
'No, Njujork tajms je obavio sliku 13 ooo balvana poredjanih u krug na brezuljku (sa odvratnom opaskom) i ta slika je istovetna sa osnovom sorbskih gradova koje '

Sedava, zanima me sa kojom to odvratnom opaskom su objavili?

To samo govori da oni pakleno zavide sto oni sami nemaju takvu proslost ili šta? Šta njima tu nije po volji, pa moraju da budu zlobni i pakosni?
nocty
2010-12-06 04:19 PM
jel to ko ono kad pavlimir kaže da reptil potice od srpskog jezika jer rep oznacava rep a til ono za kad se lije

hahahaha ebo sebe jest car coek

reptilis na ol french jeziku(od kog je negleski nasto) znaci gmizavac

nego i u kini srbi živili a?
zanimljivo.Dje ste još živili?

TPACEP
(Tpacep)
2010-12-06 05:27 PM
O ovoj temi ja pisao i iz nepoznatih razloga mi skinuše temu, tako da se i ti nemoj iznenaditi ako je ne pronađeš na spisku tema. Moderator ima neke čudne sklonosti.
Danilov
(student)
2010-12-06 07:52 PM
Britanski Telegraf piše o Indo-Evropskom selu u Kini...
Postoji legenda da su stanovnici sela potomci rimskih legionara-ali nema dokaza..
To su potomsci Sarba..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8154490/Chinese-villagers-descended-from-Roman-soldier.... html
Danilov
(student)
2010-12-06 07:57 PM
mandalina
(vila)
2010-12-07 05:41 PM
Odlično si,Sedava, uporedila slike..U Gros Radenu i svuda po Nemackoj su balvani slozeni u krug, a ovaj sorbski grad u Kini))) čak ima i duže balvane u sredini, možda za osmatracnicu kod kapije, možda za svetiliste?

Danilove,samo iskacu podaci!!
Nekako verujem da će istocni i dalekoistocni naucnici pre shvatiti istionu u Srbima nego zapadni.
newdawn
2010-12-08 12:44 AM
Ma shvatili su ovi sa zapada odavno istinu, ali su je sakrili i izbrisali sve dokaze o njoj. Tj. pokusali da je sakriju, ali im to neće uspeti.
radogost18
(ing)
2010-12-08 01:20 AM

Sve te zajedničke karakteristike dolaze od proto-indoevropljana koji su živjeli negdje oko prije 5 000 godina.
Razdvojili se i krenuli na razne strane.
Cijela centralna azuija prije dolaska mongola je bila indoevropska.
newdawn
2010-12-08 10:01 AM
Ma hebali te protoevropljani, da bi te hebali. KOJI to protoevropljani? Oni imaju svoje ime? Ili su se tako uvek zvali?

A svuda su toponimi Srb, Sorb, Sarb...Budaletino. Pokusavate da nam podvalite sa tim indoevropljani. Kao svi su isti i tako to. Providan si budaletino Rodogostu-Patrijoto. Ti ćeš ovde da ispiras mozak sa indoevropljanima.
To su bili SRBI budaletino. Nekoliko hiljada godina su samo SRBI živeli na zemlji. A onda su iz tajgi poceli da se pojavljuju divljacka plemena, kao sto je tvoje.
newdawn
2010-12-08 10:03 AM
Umesto protoevropljani treba da stoji indoevropljani.
Danilov
(student)
2010-12-08 10:51 AM
Xianbei je kineski naziv za Srbe..
Kineski Predsednik Hu - je Srbin..

Below is a list of the Xianbei names that are known to have been changed into Han names:

* Tuoba (拓拔) (imperial clan name) -> Yuan (元)
* Gegu (紇骨) -> Hu (胡)
* Pu (普) -> Zhou (周)
* Baba (拔拔) -> Zhangsun (長孫)
* Daxi (達奚) -> Xi (奚)
* Yilou (伊婁) -> Yi (伊)
* Qiudun (丘敦) -> Qiu (丘)
* Xiqihai (係俟亥) -> Hai (亥)
* Yizhan (乙旃) -> Shusun (叔孫)
* Chekun (車焜) -> Che (車)
* Qiumuling (丘穆陵) -> Mu (穆)
* Buliugu (步六孤) -> Lu (陸)
* Helai (賀賴) -> He (賀)
* Dugu (獨孤) -> Liu (劉)
* Helou (賀樓) -> Lou (樓)
* Wuniuyu (勿忸于) -> Yu (于)
* Shilian (是連) -> Lian (連)
* Pulan (僕闌) -> Pu (僕)
* Ruogan (若干) -> Gou (苟)
* Balielan (拔列蘭) -> Liang (梁)
* Bolue (撥略) -> Su (蘇)
* Ruokouyin (若口引) -> Kou (寇)
* Chiluo (叱羅) -> Luo (羅)
* Pulouru (普陋茹) -> Ru (茹)
* Hege (賀葛) -> Ge (葛)
* Shiben (是賁) -> Feng (封)
* Afugan (阿扶干) -> A (阿)
* Kediyan (可地延) -> Yan (延)
* Aluhuan (阿鹿桓) -> Lu (鹿)
* Taluoba (他駱拔) -> Luo (駱)
* Boxi (薄奚) -> Bo (薄)
* Wuwan (烏丸) -> Huan (桓)
* Suhe (素和) -> He (和)
* Hugukouyin (胡古口引) or Gukouyin (古口引) -> Hou (侯)
* Yuhun (谷渾) -> Hun (渾)
* Pilou (匹婁) -> Lou (婁)
* Qilifa (俟力伐) -> Bao (鮑)
* Tufulu (吐伏盧) -> Lu (盧)
* Dieyun (牒云) -> Yun (云)
* Shiyun (是云) -> Shi (是)
* Chili (叱利) -> Li (利)
* Fulü (副呂) -> Fu (副)
* Ruluo (如羅) -> Ru (如)
* Qifu (乞扶) -> Fu (扶)
* Kedan (可單 or 渴單) -> Dan (單)
* Qiji (俟幾) -> Ji (幾)
* He'er (賀兒) -> Er (兒)
* Tuxi (吐奚) -> Gu (古)
* Chulian (出連) -> Bi (畢)
* Heba (賀拔) -> He (何)
* Chilü (叱呂) -> Lü (呂)
* Monalou (莫那婁) -> Mo (莫)
* Xidoulu (奚斗盧) -> Suolu (索盧)
* Molu (莫蘆) -> Lu (蘆)
* Budahan (步大汗) -> Han (韓)
* Moluzhen (沒路真) -> Lu (路)
* Hudigan (扈地干) -> Hu (扈)
* Muyu (慕輿) -> Yu (輿)
* Gegan (紇干) -> Gan (干)
* Qifujin (俟伏斤) -> Fu (伏)
* Shilou (是樓) -> Gao (高)
* Qutu (屈突) -> Qu (屈)
* Talu (沓盧) -> Ta (沓)
* Washilan (嗢石蘭) -> Shi (石)
* Jiepi (解枇) -> Jie (解)
* Qijin (奇斤) -> Qi (奇)
* Xubu (須卜) -> Bu (卜)
* Qiulin (丘林) -> Lin (林)
* Damogan (大莫干) -> Ge (郃)
* Ermian (尒綿) -> Mian (綿)
* Gailou (蓋樓) -> Gai (蓋)
* Suli (素黎) -> Li (黎)
* Yidoujuan (壹斗眷) -> Ming (明)
* Chimen (叱門) -> Men (門)
* Suliujin (宿六斤) -> Su (宿)
* Bibi (馝纰) -> Bi (纰)
* Tunan (土難) -> Shan (山)
* Wuyin (屋引) -> Fang (房)
* Shuluogan (樹洛干) -> Shu (樹)
* Yifu (乙弗) -> Yi (乙)
* Maojuan (茂眷) -> Mao (茂)
* Youlian (宥連) -> Yun (雲)
* Gedouling (紇豆陵) -> Dou (竇)
* Houmochen (侯莫陳) -> Chen (陳)
* Kudi (庫狄) -> Di (狄)
* Tailuoji (太洛稽) -> Ji (稽)
* Keba (柯拔) -> Ke (柯)
* Yuchi (尉遲) -> Yu (尉)
* Bulugen (步鹿根) -> Bu (步)
* Poduoluo (破多羅) -> Pan (潘)
* Chigan (叱干) -> Xue (薛)
* Qinu (俟奴) -> Qi (俟)
* Nianchi (輾遲) -> Zhan (展)
* Feilian (費連) -> Fei (費)
* Qilian (其連) -> Qi (綦)
* Qujin (去斤) -> Ai (艾)
* Kehou (渴侯) -> Gou (緱)
* Chilu (叱盧) -> Zhu (祝)
* Heji (和稽) -> Huan (緩)
* Tulai (菟賴) -> Jiu (就)
* Wapen (嗢盆) -> Wen (溫)
* Dabo (達勃) -> Bao (褒)
* Duguhun (獨孤渾) -> Du (杜)
* Helan (賀蘭) -> He (賀)
* Yuyuanzhen (郁原甄) -> Zhen (甄)
* Gexi (紇奚) -> Ji (嵇)
* Yuele (越勒) -> Yue (越)
* Chinu (叱奴) -> Lang (狼)
* Kezhuhun (渴燭渾) -> Zhu (朱)
* Kuruguan (庫褥官) -> Ku (庫)
* Wuluolan (烏洛蘭) -> Lan (蘭)
* Yinalou (一那蔞) -> Lou (蔞)
* Yufu (羽弗) -> Yu (羽)

[edit] Major Xianbei names that were not changed

Several major Xianbei clan names were apparently judged by Emperor Xiaowen to be sufficiently Han-like to not to be changed. These included:

* Tuyuhun (吐谷渾)
* Heruo (賀若)
* Na (那)
* Yu (庾)
newdawn
2010-12-09 11:22 AM
'Xianbei je kineski naziv za Srbe..
Kineski Predsednik Hu - je Srbin..'

Danilov, jel se ti to salis ili ozbiljno? :)

Čak i da jeste tako on samo može da bude polu-Srbin. A da li recimo to ONI znaju, da vode poreklo od naših predaka?

Skoro sam uzela is Videoteke intervju sa Brus Lijem i bas sam zapazila da je mesanac. Ima evropske crte lica.
nocty
2010-12-09 02:52 PM
a od kojih vi predaka nosite porijeklo kad su svi postali od vas?

hahaha

nocty
2010-12-09 02:54 PM
„Ima evropske crte lica..”
ne ne,ima srpske crte lica

mandalina
(vila)
2010-12-10 08:24 PM
Danilove, ako naletis i na neku fotografiju, grafiku makar ili bilo kakvu sliku tih Sjanbi-Srba u drevnoj KIni, prosledi ovde, molim te.

U Istoriji Chiefeng Grada na dalekom Istoku Kine-piše da je Lider of Sarbi people-Yelu A Baoji- osnovao Liao Dinastiju. ...

Bogami su Sarbi zauzimali ogroman prostor u KIni, vidite mapu:
http://www.medeelel.mn/image/medee/img514.gif
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VYwgmYCCr04/Ruknb9UPHwI/AAAAAAAAAGU/qoxs ta_0ozM/s320/siyanbi.jpg

rana istorija (teško se razume)
http://www.travelnews.mn/index.php?songolt=content&task=content_item&id=839&menu_id=573

Pred brak su brijali glave obredno..slavili u aprilu
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%8C%D0%B1%D0%B8

Sarbski vožd-Таньшихуай,Tanši (Tanča) imao je državu od 7000 km2 i 5 sinova..To je onaj o kome Milojevic priča.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%85%D1%83%D0%B0%D0%B9

Godine 312. imali su državu TOGON, trajalo do 7.veka
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BD

Bili su pismeni i imali literaturu..
http://www.philology.ru/linguistics4/luvsandendev-97.htm

Opširna istorija Sarba u Kini
http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/China/Bicurin/Sobr_sved_o_narodach/Tom_I/frametext3.htm

Tokarski rečnik
http://www3.serbiancafe.com/lat/diskusije/mesg/21/014473202/recnik-tokarski.html?5
Srpska slova u Kini
http://serbiancafe.com/cir/diskusije/mesg/21/014270696/srpska-slova-u-kini.html?36
Ova je bila najbolja
http://www3.serbiancafe.com/lat/diskusije/new//read.php?num=21&id=13758325&thread=13758325
mandalina
(vila)
2010-12-10 09:41 PM
Koga interesuje detaljnije, pominjanje Sjan-ba,Srba u hunskim/kirgiskim predanjima:
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/70_Dateline/KyrgyzdatelineRu.htm
Srpska država u 2. i 3. veku, mapa
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/btn_GeographyMaps/AD_180Syanbi_any2fbimgloader6.jpg
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SRBI SU NOSILI CRVENO!!!
In Ancient Chinese historical documents, the Sianbise are described as „long necked, slim wasted, red dressed, chubby armed and legged people.”

The ujun, Toba and Yamunu were all related to Sianbise. The first Mongolian wordHaan, 'King' actually came from the Sianbi era.

Between the years 121-132, the Haan of East Sianbi state - Tsichjigjn - waged several battles against Northern China. However, his battles were never successful and he died shortly afterward.

TANČA I SINOVI pokorili Hune!
Tanishihyai was born in 141 to one of East Sianbi's Generals. In 156, Tanishihyai became the Haan of Sianbi after successfully defeating his people from outside attacks. The Sianbi State consisted of several big tribes.

Between 155-173 Sianbi Haan Tanishihyai concurred all Hun States along with part of northern China.

181 Tanishihyai Haan died and soon after the Sianbi State divided into Sianbi, Yxuan,Mujun, Yubjun, Tyghu and Onin

Around 3rd AD one of Sianbi's king-Mohoba took his people to North East border of China and settled there; and the Mujun tribe from the region slowly become his follower. Soon the Mujun state was born.
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BILI SU IZUZETNE ZANATLIJE I CRTOPISCI
The Sianbi were master craftsmen in both leather and wood. ...
IMALI SU SVOJ NACIONALNI ORKESTAR OD (= CLANOVA I SVOJU NACIONALNU HIMNU; SVIRANU NA POCETKU I KRAJU EPIKE!!!IMALI SU I SVOJE HRAMOVE:

Of considerable interest is the fact that the Sianbi had an orchestra with 80 instruments and their own national hymn, which was played at the start and end of epic battles.
http://www.writtenlanguage.calligraphy-mvk.ru/content/view/294/60/lang,en/

mandalina
(vila)
2010-12-10 10:31 PM
Nadjoj jednu teoiju da su Sjambi živeli na Sjambskim planinama, odnosno Srbi na Srpskim planinama da je ime planine poteklo o njih uda ime?
http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/China/Bicurin/Sobr_sved_o_narodach/Tom_I/frametext3.htm

Планина Срба се налазила близу града Дун-хуана, na putu svile (Indija-Mongolija veza)...troglava je (ima tri brda)a sa nje se vide tri grada...na nju su se Srbi doselili iz Kine 2282 godina pre Hrista.Moguće da je to „Sogdiana”

Сань-вэй-шань, трехсопочные горы, т. е. три сопки; лежат в Ань-си-чжеу в 30 ли от города Дунь-хуан на юго-восток. Сии горы представляют вид трех бугров. Сюда удельный князь Сань-Миао выселен был из Китая в 2282 году до Р. X.
http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/China/Bicurin/Sobr_sved_o_narodach/Tom_IV/text2.htm
The Xianbi are said to have taken their name from the mountain called Xianbi, now identified as a peak of the Great Xingan range, west of the Horqin/Khorqin West Wing Centre banner in Kirin (Gezu jianshi, 46). It is equally possible, however, that the mountain took its name from the tribe. . . . „ de Crespigny (1984), p. 524, n. 12.

ALI NE MOGU DA JE PRONADJEM JOS; TU TROGLAVU SRPSKU PLANINU

... Their skin and hair are tender and soft and they are known as the best furs under heaven.” Jagchid and Symons (1989), p. 167. From the Hou Hanshu, zhuan 80, „Account of the Wuhuan”, 5a.
http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/weilue/notes1_3.html
Dobar link o Sjambima, kako su se cepali na manja plemena vremenom
http://www.imperialchina.org/16Nations.shtml
StevaCar
2010-12-13 03:28 AM
Jedan Austrijanac je uvideo sličnost guslarske srpske pesme sa kineskom pricom.Procitajte studiju

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35744316/Dr-Friedrich-Krauss-Srodnost-Srpske-Guslarske-Pesme-Sa-Kineskom-Pricom-1... 3
StevaCar
2010-12-13 05:29 PM
na mapi Puta (i puteljaka)svile...nasi Srbi su živeli oko Dunhuanga,posebno tamo gde piše Wuwei.
Uocite i koliko je blizu „Lulan” tamo je bilo svetlokosih ženskih mumija.

http://tourasia.org/files/China/City/Gansu_Province/Sources/Gansu_Maps/Dunhuang_JiaYuGuan_on_SilkRoad.gif
DA nas je maleni provincijski grad u zapadnokineskoj Gansu provinciji sa dugom istorijom.
http://tourasia.org/ChinaReport/Gansu_Province/Dunhuang/Dunhuang-Main.html

NA danasnjoj etno-lingvističkoj mapi prepoznajem samo XIBE, potomke Sarba..žove na granici prema Kazah(jel ti kazah?)stanu.
http://tourasia.org/files/China/ChinaMaps-ALL/China-Map-Ethno-Linguistic-1967AD-BQT.jpg
http://tourasia. org/files/China/Source_Materials/China_Maps/Historic_Maps/Tang_Dynasty/xuanzang-travels-mapBT.jpg

Jedna naša reč STUPA pojavljuje se kao paralelni naziv Dagobe, spomenika na planinai Beli VUk.
http://tourasia.org/files/China/City/Gansu_Province/Dunhuang/Landmarks/White_Horse_Dagoba/03-Dagoba_Entranc... ang_Bai_Ta03aQT.jpg

Danilove, na mapama je sad jasnije..Srbi (Sjambi) oko Dunhuanga ustvari žive vrlo blizu Tarim Basena gde su mumije Tokara nadjene!!!
http://tourasia.org/publishImages/ChinaReport~Gansu_Province~Dunhuang~Dunhuang-Main~~element548.jpg

Povod om planine,Vilo, teško je naći..vidi ovo:

Further north, two peaks of the Great Xing'an range, Wuhuan Mountain in Liaoning and Xianbi Mountain in Jilin, are described by legend as the original homes of those two peoples. ...

R de Crespigny
Later Han Northern Frontier Geography
The Government and Geography of the Northern Frontier of Late Han ...

moguće je da su u pitanju (u desnom donjem kvadrantu) Sanwei mountain..
http://tourasia.org/files/China/City/Gansu_Province/Dunhuang/Dunhuang_Maps/Dunhuang_Great_Wall-Map1cT.jpg
D Eo srba je i pleme AŽA,AZHA koje se preselilo na Tibet i imalo svoju državicu u okviru tibetanske.Na ovom linku je analiza tri rukopisa Azha plemena..Uglasvnom su stočari, zemlju rade samo kad moraju

http://www.douban.com/group/topic/13467279/
StevaCar
2010-12-13 05:54 PM
Potomci Srba su danasnji TI narod (etnička manjina), kako ih Kinezi zovu danas. U evropskoj literaturi smatraju ih belim mongolima, i zovu Monguri((

fotografija
http://www.taiwandna.com/chineseshaangxitu.jpg

Detaljna istorija gde kinezi pišu o „Tu” narodu(u starija vremena izgovaralo se HU), kako ga klasifikuju od 1953.godine i ne spore da su imali značaj i u kineskoj i u svetskoj istoriji!!
http://www.taiwandna.com/chinesegansupage.html

Ime TU potiče od imena „Tuyühun”, on je bio stariji sin Kralja Muronga od Srba)), inače prvi koji odvojio i odveo veliki broj Srba na severozapad od Dunhuanga krajem 3.veka n.e.
„Tuyuhun” was the Chinese phonetic transcription of his original name, „Teihu”..Original no ime bilo mu je Teihu,Tihu (opet neki Tihomir,Tika)
Tipično za (srpski) jezik ove grupe Srba je da Mongol izgovaraju kao Mongor, sa r na kraju.Oni slave NADUN, a Mongoli Naadam (festival)
Po Kinezima, Srbi (Tu,Sjanbi)stari su kao narod na tom prostoru oko 4000 godina (vezani za bronzano doba) i poodavno su imali državnu organizaciju.

http://www.taiwandna.com/chinesegansupage.html
StevaCar
2010-12-13 07:22 PM
Još jedno interesantno „pleme” potomaka Srba-opet su beli i smtrani strancima i „varvarima” zbog toga.
Zovu ih „SanMiao” i ustvari su to „three Miao”plemena Sjamba,Srba..

Potekli sa onih SRPSKIH planina (Xianbei mount ili Sanwei mount) kod Dunhuanga na putu svile...dosli su do Tibeta..čak i ime Tibet potiče od njihove, tačnije rečeno, srpske reči!!!
Još tačnije od imena Srbina.

The Tibetans, according to a Chinese linguist, would be the descendants of the Xi Qiang.. Xin Tang Shu (New History Of Tang Dynasty) said the Tibetans belonged to the Xi Qiang, namely, the western Qiangic peoples. There were 150 different groups of Qiangic peoples, widely dispersed among Sichuan, Ganshu, Qinhai and Shenxi Provinces. Ancient classics stated that the word 'qiang' means the shepards in the west. The book 'Continuum To Hou Han Shu' stated that the Qiangs were alternative race of the Jiang surname tribes of San Miao.

One opinion also said that the ancient Tibetans possibly derived from the Sanmiao (Three Miao) tribes who, being in constant battles with the Hua and Yi tribes, had once occupied today's upper and middle Yangtze River areas. At the times of Lords Yao-Shun-Yu, the 'Sanmiao' (Three Miao) people had taken Lake Dongting as their very homeland. A... To the west of today's Dunhuang was a mountain named 'San Wei Shan'(Sjanbei) where the Three Miao peoples were exiled.

As further explained in the Tibetans section, the name Tibet could be from the Xianbei element. New History Of Tang Dynasty cited a mutation of pronunciation for the name of founder of Southern Liang (Xianbei Statelet, AD 397-414), Tufa Lilugu. What it said is that the Southern Liang's last name, Tufa, had mutated into Tubo in Chinese pronunciation or English Tibet.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=207775

The Qiang people(potekli od Srba sa srpskih planina) are the same people who set up the Posterior Qin Dynasty (AD 384-417) during the South-North Dynasties, prior to the founding of the Tibetan Kingdom during China's Tang Dynasty (AD 618-907).

'Tuyuhun',(srpsko pleme po kome danas potomke zovu TU narodom) with Xianbei nomadic elements, would mix up with the Qiangic peoples (srpko pleme)...which possessed at one time eight tribes(verovatno osam srpskih plemena ), with one tribe carrying the Toba last name(za koje se zna da su od Srba) and evolve into the later Xixia Kingdom (AD 1038-1227) of the Tanguts (i.e., Dangxiang).

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Ovi srbi,„MIao” ili „Sanmiao” imali su totem bika (Velesa) i slavili su bika:
Ilustracija
http://img.asiantown.net/members/37448/CHIYOUJani.jpg
Posebno su dobro poznavali religiju i pravo..

Plemenom „trimiao” vladao je DED, titularni DED, odnosno CAR
In China, the first recorded Miao kingdom was called Jiuli, and its ruler or rulers, had the title Chiyou (in Chinese) or Txiv Yawg (in White Hmong) or Txiv Yawg (in Mong Leng).
Chiyou means grandfather, and is a title equal to, but no less than, emperor. Jiuli was said to have jurisdiction over nine tribes and 81 clans.

During the Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty), when Miao tribes rebelled, Ming troops, including Han chinese, Hui people, and Uyghurs crushed the rebels, killing thousands of them.[8][9] Mass castrations of Miao boys also took place

Mesanci su po liku, danas vise azijati nego bele rase, ali u nosnji njihovoj ima tragova srpstva (kao i u sistemu za navodnjavanju uz pomoć drvenog tocka)
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D1%8F%D0%BE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miao_people

Imaju običaj „otmice mlade”,sviraju na festivalima svasta pa i frulu(verikalnu bambusovu sviralu u nedostatku šljivika), jasu konje i vole borbu bikova(kao Bosanci),monogamni su a imaju vise Bogova.Spretni su zemljoradnici,danas imaju mnogo prosvetara
http://www.china.org.cn/e-groups/shaoshu/shao-2-miao.htm

IMAJU HRAM u slavu predaka

The Temple of the Miao King (aka the Temple of the King of the Miao People) sits on the west outskirt of Rongjiang County. It is the only one temple for the Miao people in China, even in the world.

Originally, the temple was set up in memory of the Miao people's forefathers who had developed the local wastelands. For centuries, it has attracted thousands upon thousands of worshippers of the Miao ethnic group from all over China.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=247631

Bas su bele koze ovi trimjao (možda slavili Triglava nekad;))
Pogledajte im decu, plavokoso, onako normalno, na ruso a ne na blond
A nosnja je srpska, osim visokog turbana

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YOZG-gtSZAU/0.jpg

Deo „trimjao” Srba su presli na Tibet, danas poznati kao HMONG narod.. nosnja im je u tri boje (plava, crvena, bela) kuce su dole za hranu, gore za spavanje (kao naše čatmare)..u sredini ognjiste))
One su izuzetne prelje i vezilje, vezu i srmom (srebrnom)
Imaju razvijen kravajski obicaj, trodnevni oko rođenja novog člana..i posebnu igru oko nove godine.

http://www.monsmade.com/english/002_people_of_the_hmong.php

HMONG znači SLOBODAN, čita se MON'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hmong/Miao_People

Jedna potomkinja Srba (Miao pleme) bila je general kineske vojske!!
U 17.veku
Pala je sa konja u 75.godini))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Liangyu
Kinezi su snimili film o njoj 1953.g
http://www.dianying.com/en/title/11408
StevaCar
2010-12-13 07:43 PM
Satima sam na netu, ali uspeo sam.

Za Vilu, pre svega
Srpske planine u KIni jesu SAN-WEI planine..ona tri brda što se pominju u stvari su tri planinska vrhaodvojena...opisuju ih putopisci kad pohode hram
Guan-yin Templekoji je danas na tim planinama.Kineski naziv znaci TRI WEI, san je tri
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Oi0kGZAA0U0/SlBVK43jgpI/AAAAAAAAAgY/Fl9CtK0RjPk/s400/San-wei+Mountain+and+Guan-yi...

The mountain described by the Tun Huang Lu is directly west from the Mogao oasis, Dunhuang, China ( An oasis strategically located at a religious and cultural crossroads on the Silk Road, in Gansu province, China.)

Apart from its prominence, rising as it does above the surrounding hills, its apparent religious significance may be related to its shape, with three distinct peaks recalling the Chinese character (shan) for Mountain. As Prof. Wu Hung has pointed out, images of mountains with three peaks appear in early Chinese representations of „The Heavens.”

U ranim kineskim predanjima, bas ta planina je predstavljala NEBESA.
http://hill-temples.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html

Dugačka je ..pored grada Dunhuang..a s druge strane grada je čuvena planina „Pevajući pesak”, vetar pravi zvuke pa je atrakcija za turiste..Evo je na mapi:
http://tourasia.org/files/China/City/Gansu_Province/Dunhuang/Dunhuang_Maps/Dunhuang_Great_Wall-Map1cT.jpg

I kad sam shvatio da je TRI „san”...onda i ono pleme SAMMIAO znači TRI MIAO..I još nešto interesantno:

San Miao in Chinese means „3 Hmong”, a direct mistranslation by the Chinese (Because in the Hmong language, „Peb” means „We/Us/Ours” and „Three” both sounds the same) and to the Hmong, Peb Hmoob means „Our Hmong” which means „Our Homeland”.

A evo i fotografije statue Srpkinje- kineskog generala
http://sites.google.com/site/chn56ethnicities/_/rsrc/1254248538486/Home/miao/20070828170912752.jpg?height=5... width=360

Jedna forumska diskusija o poreklu
http://forums.asiantown.net/topic.aspx?id=258686&c=20&p=8
Laku noc svima

Danilov
(student)
2010-12-14 09:04 AM
Danilov
(student)
2010-12-14 10:07 AM
Clanak o direktnim potomcima Sarba u Kini..

www/pic_news/10462361.html" >http://news.folkw.com/www/pic_news/10462361.html
mandalina
(vila)
2010-12-14 08:01 PM
Pre svega, hvala ti Stevo za planinu)))
Isto je dugački lanac kao i one Srpske planine u Rumuniji(Serrorum)..
Celo popodne sam čitala po linkovima što si ti našao..posebno onaj forum gde Hmong narod govori o svojim folklornim verovanjima.
Bas ti hvala!

Danilove, postavi opet poslednje linkove.Nikako neće.Prebaci na tiny url najbolje?

Milojević je ustvari bio u pravu, iako je i meni kad sam ga prvi put čitala, sve delovalo kao maštarija..taj Tanča i 5 sinova i tako to.A sad zahvaljujuci netu, kad možemo i po kineskim sajtovia da otkrivamo običaje i vidimo fotografije, sve je mnogo lakse.

Iz Milojeviceve knjige:

Да су Срби одиста од искони живили преко Хималајских планина по дан: тако званом Тибету и у тако званој Китајској империји, и са овима час потискивани даље Сибиру, час опет покоравани и преливани у Китајце, имамо и сувише како историчких дата, тако и остатака трагова о истоме. Борбе ове Срба са Китајцима ови су нам последњи у неколико описали називајући их, по свом обичају разним именима и немогући изговорити писме р но увек као л а и м и т.д.називају их час Сјамбима, Селбима и т.д. урачунају их час у Монголе и остала племена, а час опет ове у Србе доказујући: да се једни у друге сливају и т.д.

http://serbdom.wetpaint.com/
http://tinyurl.com/35l7fdr

Evo fotografije Sarba gde su preci devojaka uspeli da izbegnu mesanje sa kossokim
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8913/0016ec9fa05a090bc9fa25sr0.jpg

Ilustracija sarbskog vodje
http://www.history-of-china.com/img/three-kingdoms-portrait.jpg

Neke „freske” iz sarbske Kine, nadjene su na zidu..gde se vidi dugački mačevi tipični za Srbe
http://img219.imageshack.us/i/90407581.jpg/
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/909/0010qhs.jpg

I jedna slika ratnika sa interesantnim kalpacima i barjacima, vredi proucavanja
http://www.history-of-china.com/img/three-kingdoms-war-b.jpg
sedava
(hostesa)
2010-12-16 11:10 PM
Napisali ste knjigu već o Srbima Kine)))
Hvala svima-Vili,Caru,novinaru i studentu na trudu i novim informacijama.

Našla sam nešto zanimljivo: potomci Sarba (pleme Miao) ima predanje da su došli iz Vavilona..
Isto je pisao nas Relja Novaković kad je pronašao Karlovački rodoslov, da su Srbi slavili Dagona tamo u međurečju..I Isto kaže Nestorova hronika, najstariji ruski letopis da smo (svi mi što govorasmo srpski) najpre živeli u Međurečju pa se odatle raseljavali.

I had a Psychology lecturer who is also a director of a youth organisation as well as half-way homes in Singapore. He did some missionary work in the past and did a research on one of the tribal Miaos. This lecturer is an Indian by the way.

In the course of his research, he found out that the Miao could trace their history back to the Tower of Babel. I'm not sure if this sounds far fetch to any of you guys but given his discipline and academic background (he did his Psychology in the US), I'm sure it is not a religious propaganda on his part, although it completely slipped off my mind to ask about his sources.

According to his studies, the Miaos' ancestors left the Tower of Babel (the Tower of Babel is located in the middle east) and headed to the east and was living in parts of China before the ethnic Hans.

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?/topic/1407-who-are-the-hmongmiao/page__st__60
cickiri
(kalafat)
2010-12-28 08:44 AM
CAREVI STE!!! hhihihihih
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