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Recnik Tokarski.
sweetpaprika
2009-12-28 12:24 PM
Hoću da pišem oni glavni ko pišu o Tokarima. Svugde de čitam o njija kaže da su verovatno neka Keltska plema zbog jezika i tkane. Ne slazem sa tim. Može biti Tokari iz Keltska plema ali možda su govorili drukciji jezik tada nego sto su oni u evropi govorili.
Da covek visok dva metar sa plave ocima i bela lice to može samo biti nas narod. Ali šta je stvarnost je da njin jezik je slično Srpski.

Možda jesu bili Keltski poreklom ali govorili su Slavski jezik. Ko kaže da Keltsi su uvek govorili Keltski?

Nisu se zvali oni sami Tokari - još neznu kako je to doslo tačno. Neke staro kinesko knjige su njih zvali YUEZHI ili KUSHARI. Nosili su lepe stvare. Njin tkane je bilo posebno i piše da su nosili crvene sukne i izgleda kao Germanski. A zašto ne kao Pre-Slavski? Nosili zasiljistvo sesire. Kao su nosili u staro evropu.
To zato mislim da neki drugi narod su njija zvali „oni ko tkanu” i tako je ostalo TOKARI. Sada trebamo da nađemporeklo reč TKANA. Odakle je to doslo.

Evo je recnik Tokarski/Engleski. U velike slove ja sam dodala SRPSKI reci. Mnogo razlika imamo sa njin jezik. Ima mnogo rece ko deluju i druge indo-evropski jezici. Koji bi bili samo Tokarski i Srpski?

Ako neko može da doda nešto šta nisam zapazanja u ovom listu, zahvalam vam.

açc- - a beginning, a start (Sanskrit ásad- - to get down, ádis - a start, Slavic *jézda - a riding) POCHETI
ak, ek - an eye (IE *okw- - an eye) OKO
akmal - a face (see ak + malañ)
amokyo - art (instr.sg.) UMET
asam.khe - a variety RAZAN
as's'i - exactly (particle) ISTI (SAME)
ats - exactly
ámpi - both (IE *ambh- + *bhó - both)
áñc - down NIZHE
ánt - through, across
ánt, ánte - a forehead (IE *ant- - fore, forehead)
ant-api - both (see ámpi) OBA
ákás'acc - to the sky
ánte - a plain
áre - a plough (IE *ár- - to plough) ORATI
árki , árkwi- - white (IE *arg'- - white, shining; silver) ISKRA (SPARKLE)
ártimár - we should love
ásta - bones (IE *kost-, *ost- - a bone) KOSTI
ati - grass (IE *ad- - to grow?)
bime - a thought, an idea POYAM (IDEA)
cake - a river (IE *tek- - to flow, to run) REKA (RIVER)/TOK/TECHI (TO FLOW)
ckácar, tkácer - a daughter (IE *dhutér- - a daughter) KCHERKA/KCHI
çtwar, çtwer - four (IE *kwetwores - four) CHETIRI
e-, ai- - to give (IE *ay- - to give, to take) DATI (TO GIVE)
eçane - an eye OCHNI
ents-, en'k - to bear (IE *nek'- - to bear, to carry) NOSI
i- - to go (IE *ei- - to go) ICHI
íkam - twenty (IE *wíkmot - twenty)
kaklyus.u - on hearing (verbal adverb) (see klyos-)
kakmu - on coming (verbal adverb)
kaltr - he stops
käm- - to come (IE *gwem- 'come')
kam, keme - a ripple, a tooth (IE *gonbh- - a ledge)
känt, kant, kante - a hundred (IE *kmotom - a hundred)
kanwem - knees (dual, IE *genu- - a knee) KOLENO
káryap - harm
kuryar, karyor - a purchase (IE *kwreya- - to buy) KUPITI
kus - who? (IE *kwis - who) KO
käs - to go out, to extinguish (IE *gwes- - to extinguish)
kast - famine OSKUDICA
kay-urs, ka-urs.e - a bull (IE *wers- - a bull)
kektseñe - a body
kerciye - a palace (IE *gher- - to stockade; a settlement)
kláw - to declare, to announce (IE *kleu- - to hear)
klots, klautso - an ear (IE *kleu- - to hear) KLAS/UHO (EAR)SLUSHATI (TO HEAR)
klyos- - to hear (IE *kleu- - to hear)
knán - to know (IE *gnó- - to know, from *gen- - kinship, a knee) ZNATI (TO KNOW)/KOLENO (A KNEE)
ko, keu - a cow (IE *gwou- - a bull) KRAVA (COW)/GOVECHE/VO/BIK (OX)
krons'e - a bee (IE *k'ers- - an insect)
ksaise - old
ktsai - to grow old
ku - a dog (IE *kwon- - a dog) KUTA
kukäl, kokale - a wagon (IE *kwel- - round, a wheel) KRUG/KOLO (ROUND) OKOLO (AROUND)/KOLA (CAR)
kulmänts - reed (IE *k'al@m- - straw) SLAMA (STRAW)
kuras', krost - cold (IE *krus- - an edge of ice?) MRAZ (FROST)
kwyall - why?
laks, läks - a fish (IE *lak'@s- - fish, a salmon)
lap - a skull (Greek lophos - a nape, a hill, Slavic lob - a forehead) LOBANYA (SKULL)
lip- - to remain, to stay (IE *leikw- - to stay)
lk-, lyk- - to see (IE *léuk- - to see, to look)
lw - a beast LAV (LION)
lyukemo - illuminated (participle) (IE *leuk- - light)
lyutár - excessively (Welsh llid < *lúto- - rage, Russian lyuty - angry, terrible) LYUT (ANGRY)
má - not (Greek má, mé - not, Sanskrit má - don't) NE (NO) NEMOY (DON'T)
mácar, mácer - a mother (IE *mátér- - a mother) MATI
makí - much (IE *mag'- - large, many) MNOGO/MNOGI MOCH (POWER)
malañ - a cheek
malk-, mälk - to milk (IE *melg-, *melk- - to milk) MLEKO (MILK)
malto - for the first time (IE *mal-/*mel- - a top)
malyw, mely - to press (IE *mel- - to grind) MLEVENYE
mañ, meñe - a month (IE *men-es- - moon, a month) MESETS
mänt - how
mäs's'unt - brains (IE *mazgh- - brains) MOZAK
men'ki - less (IE *manw- - small, little) MANJI
misa - meat, flesh (IE *méms- - meat) MESO
mit - honey (IE *medhu- - honey) MED
nás - us (IE *nosmes - we) NAS
ñkat, ñakte - a god (IE *nekt- - a deity)
ñom, nem - a name (IE *nem- - to call, to assign) IME (NAME)
ñu - new (IE *newo- - new) NOV
ñú - nine (IE *newno - nine) DEVET
nut, naut - to die (IE *náw- - a corpse, to die)
okat, okt - eight (IE *októ - eight) OSAM
oki - like (conjunction) KAO/NALIK/ISTO TAKO
om-post-am. - after that (IE *po- - after) POSLE/PO
onkaläm - an elephant SLON
orkäm - gloom, darkness (Greek orphnos - dark, dark brown) MRAK
orto - up (Latin orior - I rise)
pältsäkk - a thought
pák, páke - a section (IE *bhag- - to share with smb)
pácar, pacer - a father (IE *pa'te'r - a father)
päk- - to cook, ripen (IE *pekw-/ *pokw- 'to cook') PECHI (TO BAKE)
päl, píle - a wound (IE *bhal- - ill, sick) BOL/BOLESTAN
pält, pilta - a leaf (IE *bhel- 'leaf')
pañä, piç, pis' - five (IE *penkwe - five) PET
pant, pin.kce - fifth (see above) PETI
papaks.u - something boiled (*pek-, *pekw- - to bake)
pärkär - long
pärwán, pärwáne - an eyebrow (IE *bhrú- - an eyebrow) OBRVA
pärvat, pärwes.s.e - the oldest, a wizard (see parwe)
parno, perne - shining (participle)
parwe - at first (?) (IE *pro-wo- - forward, first) PRVO
pás, pásk - to graze (IE *pá-, *paH- - to secure, to graze) PASTI
pe, pai - a foot (IE *ped- - a foot)
pin'kam. - he writes (IE *peik'- - to draw signs) PISATI (TO WRITE)
plák - to be agree
plewe - a ship, a boat (IE *pleu- - to sail) PLOVITI (TO SAIL)
pokem. - a hand (IE *bhághu- - a hand) RUKA
por., puwar - fire (IE *paur- - inanimate fire) POZHAR
porat, peret - an axe (IE *pelk'- - to chop) - could be borrowed from Iranian
pracar, procer - a brother (IE *bhrátér- - a brother) BRAT
prak, pärk - to ask (IE *prok'- - to ask)
pres'ciye - ooze PROCURITI
put-k - to judge, to divide (Latin putare - to think, Russian pytat' - to torture)
rake, reki - speech, a word (IE *rek- - to speak) RECHI/RECH
ratre, rtär, ratrem. - red (IE *reudh- - red, rust) RđA (RUST)
ri, riye - a city
rit - to search TRAGATI
s.äk, skas - six (IE *sweks - six) SHEST
s'äk, s'ek, s'ak - ten (IE *dekmot - ten) DESET
sále, sályi - salt (IE *sal- - grey, dirty; salt) SOLI
sälk- - to pull out (IE *selk- - to drag, a furrow)
salu, sol - whole (IE *salw- - whole, healthy) TSEO/TSELO
s.älyp, s.alype - fat, oil (IE *selp- - fat)
s.amáne - a monk
s'äm, s'ana - a wife (IE *gwen- - a wife, a woman) ZHENA
s'ánmaya - he was proclaimed
s.ar, s.er - a sister (IE *swesór- - a sister) SESTRA (SISTER)/SVASTIKA (SISTER-IN-LAW)
särk, sark - an illness
sas, se, s.eme - one (IE *sem- - one, the only, alone) SAM (ALONE)/SAMO (ONLY)
s'cirye - starry ZRACHI
se, soyä - a son (IE *sú- - to be born) SIN (SON)
se (masc.), sá (fem.), te (neut.) - this (IE *so, *sá, *tod - this) TA/TE/TI
s'is'kiss - a lion (acc.sg.)
skente - they are (IE *es- - to be)
smimám. - smiling (participle) (IE *smey- - to laugh) SMEYATI
soma-, somo- - the same, similar (IE *smoo- - the same, some)
s.päm, s.päne - a dream (IE *swep- - to sleep, *swep-no- - a dream) SAN/SNEVATI (DREAM) SPAVA (SLEEP)
s.pät, sukt - seven (IE *septom - seven) SEDAM
spin- - a hook, a peg (IE *spey- - a peg)
s.tám, stám - a tree (IE *stá- - to stand) STAJATI (TO STAND)
s.top, s.tow - a stick (IE *stúp- - a branch, a stump) SHTAP
su (masc.), sá (fem.), tu (neut.) - that (see se)
súwa - to eat (Slavic *z'vati - to chew, Latvian z'aunas - gills, Old High German kiuwen - to chew, Armenian kiv - arboreal resin, Persian javiden - to chew) ZHVAKATI (TO CHEW)
suwam. - it is raining (IE *seu-, *su- - to rain, to flow)
swase, swese - rain (see above)
täm - this (IE *to- - demonstrative pronoun) TA
tän'k-, tan'k- - to interfere (IE *tnog- - heavy, hard)
tápärk - now (Russian teper' - now?)
tek - to touch TAKNUTI
tetriwu - he pounds (IE *ter- - to rub)
tkam, kem - ground (IE *dhghom- - ground) TEMELJ
tmäk - that is why TAKO
tmäs' - then
träm-, tärm-, treme (pl.) - to shiver, a shiver (IE *trem- - to shake) TRESTI/DRMANYE (TO SHAKE)
tri, traiy - three (IE *treyes, *trí - three) TRI
trit, trite - thrice (see above)
tsar@ - a hand (IE *g'hesro- - a hand)
tsär - rough, shaggy (IE *khar- - sharp)
tsatsápau - warmed (participle) (IE *tep- - warm) TOPAO (WARM)
tsik - to generate
tsirauñe - power, strength
tsras'i - strong
tsu- - to link, to bind (IE *dhów- - to bind)
tu - thou (IE *tú - thou) TI
tumane, tumám. - ten thousand
tunk - love
wac - a quarrel, struggle (IE *wod- - to speak, to shout)
waiwalau - dizziness (IE *wel- - to turn, to twist)
wak, wek - voice (IE *wekw-/ *wokw- 'voice') ZVUK
wäl, walo - a prince (IE *wal- - strong, powerful) VLAST (POWER, LEAD)
wäl - to die
walke - long
wälts, yaltse - a thousand
want, yente - to fly, to breathe
wáp - to weave
wär - water (IE *war- - water, wet)
warto, wärto - a garden, a grove (IE *wer- - to defend, to close)
wäs - gold
wätk-, watk- - to order (see wac)
wes - we (IE *wei- - we, me and you) MI
weskemane - speaking (participle)
wramm - a thing
wrauña - a crow VRANA
wu (masc.), we (fem.) - we two (see wes)
wu, wi - two (IE *duwo, *dwo - two) DVA
yam, ya, yám - to do (Hittite aia- - to do)
yok - to drink
yokani - thirsting (participle)
ysar, ysár - blood (IE *esór- - blood)
ysäs. (3rd sg. pres.), yayásau (participle) - to boil (IE *yes- - to boil)
ytár (f) - a path, a way (see i-)
yuk, yakwe - a horse (IE *ekwo- - a horse) YAHANYE (HORSEBACK RIDING)/KONJ (HORSE)/ YAGNYE (LAMB)/ VUK (WOLF)
sweetpaprika
2009-12-28 12:25 PM
pater, father može biti OTSA
Danilov
(student)
2009-12-28 01:09 PM
Po anatolskoj hipotezi Tohari su istovremeno sa Keltima odselili sa Balkana pre 7000 godina..
Kelti su otisli na Zapad-Tohari na Istok..
U Kini su Tohare nazivali- Sarbi..
Postoji pecina u Kini koja je turisticka atrakcija i pod zastitom države kao kulturno -istorijski spomenik gde su hiljadama godina živeli Sarbi..
U Istoriji Kine je zapisano da su pojedini imperatori sarbskog porekla..
Kineska Jovanka Orleanka-popularna Mulan je sarbskog porekla..
Kinezi su milione Sarba asimilirali.
U jednom periodu bio je zakon da su zabranjeni brakovi između Sarba-tako da su morali formirati porodicu samo sa Han Kinezima..
Sarbi su prisilno promenili prezimena-tako je Sarbsko prezime Gegu-promenjeno u Hu..
Porodica Predsednika Kine Hu Jintao-a se ranije prezivala Gegu..
Postojala su dva toharska jezika-toharski A-i Toharski B..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharian_languages

sweetpaprika
2009-12-28 03:15 PM
Nasla još prevod:

wac - a quarrel, struggle (IE *wod- - to speak, to shout) VIKATI (SHOUT)

tetriwu - he pounds (IE *ter- - to rub) TRTI/TRLJA (TO RUB)

pält, pilta - a leaf (IE *bhel- 'leaf') LIST

känt, kant, kante - a hundred (IE *kmotom - a hundred) STO
DODALA OVO SAMO DA POKAZE DA SRPSKI REC ZA STO JE DOSLO OD SATEMSKI JEZICI.

lk-, lyk- - to see (IE *léuk- - to see, to look) LITSA (FACE)
sweetpaprika
2009-12-28 11:23 PM
warto, wärto - a garden, a grove (IE *wer- - to defend, to close) VRT

wes - we (IE *wei- - we, me and you) MI, SVI/VSI (EVERYONE)
mandalina
(vila)
2009-12-29 04:02 AM
Što se tiče Keltoa (to je grcki naziv, njihov sopstveni je Walach, beleye stari Germani..)ponato je da je keltsko pleme SURBIO živelo u juznoj Engleskoj, ostao je grad DUN SORVIO ili, polatinjeno kasnije SORBIODUNUM..
http://i20.tinypic.com/34xjg3o.jpg

A takođe je keltsko pleme SEURBI naselilo pre rimskog perioda teritoriju Portugalije.
The Seurbi were an ancient Celtic tribe of Gallaecia, living in the north of modern Portugal, in the province of Minho, between the rivers Cávado and Lima (or even reaching the river Minho).

Na stitu su nosili nas drevniheraldicki znak- krst sa četiri ognjila.
http://img140.imageshack.us/i/seurbi.png/

The Seurbi were a tribe in Iberia, is counted among the tribes of the Gallaeci (Callaici). They settled by Pliny the mouth of the Miño mainly in the field of Portuguese districts of Viana do Castelo and Braga... According to Pliny the trunk of their neighbors Leuni and the rural town of Augusta, which belonged to the Bracari. will be added also to the tribal union of the Lusitanian (Lusitanian).

The Seurbi wandered likely one from north from the south in the Späthallstattzeit or the La-Tene-time no later than the end of the Second Punic War.

.. Some researchers have seen or will see the Seurbi Pliny (24-79 AD) in the Seurri (Σεουροι) In the geography of Ptolemy (~ 100-175 AD) in the Seurbi not, at least under this names appear. [2] Therefore be attributed to the Seurbi the cities Talamina and Aqua Quintina.

Osim sto je rimski naziv za danassnju Portugaliju bio je Lusitanija ( Luzzica)...
На основу овог податка, чак и у колико би се имао у виду карактеристичан степен претеривања, историчари број Словенског становништва овог доба на Пиринејском Полуострву процењују на између 50.000 и 100.000, што за прилике европског раног средњег века представља значајан број. Примера ради, претпоставка је да је цела Западна Европа тог времена имала мање од 20 милиона становника.

Eno ih SEURBI („keltsko” „vlasko” pleme) iznad Lusitanije (Luzickih Srba?)
http://arkeotavira.com/Mapas/Iberia/Populi150dpi.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/M apa_de_Portugal_tribos_principais.png/300px-Mapa_de_Portugal_tribos_principais.png
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