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Da li je SAVA ketskog korenje za njin Bog?
sweetpaprika
2009-11-06 07:43 AM
Zašto imamo SAV u naše prezime - zbog nasa sveta sava?

Even though name Sava became very common among (and not only South) Slavs, especially as a form of personal name, either male or female, and got a 'Slavic tone', the river's name is not Slavic but Celtic and Roman in origin, who called it Savus. The old Celts associated their river goddess Adsullata with the river Savus.

Synonyms:
Gaul: The Sunny One/The Bright One

Savus is a god known from several inscriptions along a river running through the Balkans that forms a tributary of the Danube. The deity is invoked at Saudöfel in Austria where he is invoked along with the goddess, Adsullata (CIL III, 03896). In Croatia he is invoked at Scitarjevo and Sisak (though there is no companion). In Slovenia he is invoked at Abbruch (RINMS 110) where he is named along with a goddess, Atsaluta whose name would seem to be a corruption of that of Adsullata.

Savus is the tutelary deity of the river Sava (Save in German and Száva in Hungarian which is considered as the northern boundary of the Balkans. In Roman (and presumably pre-Roman) times the river was named Savus after the deity who was presumably the spirit and protector of this navigable waterway. Like Adsullata, with whom he is linked, Savus may originally have been a solar deity who later became the spiritual embodiment of the river Savus. Indeed, the name Savus may well be derived from the reconstructed proto-Celtic *sāwel-/*sūl- (sun), thus his name may be interpreted as 'the sunny one' or perhaps 'the bright one'.

sweetpaprika
2009-11-06 07:44 AM
KELTSKOG
ne ketskog.
benin
(student)
2009-11-06 04:17 PM
SAVA je ime, reč koja ime svoje znacenje u Sanskritu...

SAVA (m) = onaj koji pokrece, onaj koji komanduje, komandant,podstrekach,
..u nekim starim tekstovima se prevodi kao pokretac Sunca

Treba traziti u recniku zemlje iz koje Srbi, vrlo verovatno dodjose.

Pozdrav
sweetpaprika
2009-11-06 09:57 PM
znači da nasa Sveti Sava ime je dali os taj covek ko se zvao Saba?
Ali zašto neke prezime ima SAV? Na primer Radosavljevic, Ljubosavljevic..

benin
(student)
2009-11-07 10:04 AM
Dr_Jojboli
(u penziji)

Ne, nema za te dve reci. No Sava ima u svom punom obliku.

Pozdrav
benin
(student)
2009-11-07 11:23 AM
Dr_Jojboli
(u penziji)

Ja imam recnik u vidu knjige. Prilično opsiran, ali ako potrazis na netu sigurno ćeš naći dobre on-line recnike.
Prema mom recniku, mogu reći da je prilično opsiran i detaljan, te dve reci nema.

Pozdrav

P.S. svojevremno nadjoh na interenetu sajt na kome je izlistano nekih 400 imena gradova i sela u Indiji sa imenima koja su iz našeg jezika. Ako nađemponovo, postavicu ovde.
SvetoVid
(student)
2009-11-08 04:39 AM
forum. badnjak. com

(без размака)
partita
(lumpenproleter)
2009-11-09 03:46 AM
srbi su uglavnom sa balkana, tj. slavizirana mesavina tracana, ilira i dacana.
partita
(lumpenproleter)
2009-11-09 03:52 AM
zalosno je kad neki mali narod kao sto smo mi kompenzira nedostatak velicine i značaja gradeci nekakve grandiozne teorije o svom poreklu,
benin
(student)
2009-11-09 05:49 AM
partita
(lumpenproleter)

Ne postoje „mali” i „veliki” narodi. Postoje samo narodi sa svojim istorijama, sa svojim mitovima,legendama i zapisima. Nije stetno ispitivati te podatke u cilju sto boljeg rasvetljavanja proslosti.

Nije se samo jedanput desilo da se istorija kroji prema nahodjenju i vidjenju „velikog vladajuceg” naroda. Samim tim se kreiraju greške, namerno ili slučajno nije moje da sudim, ali se kreiraju. Iz tog razloga je sasvim dobro zasukati rukave i kopati duboko kako bi istina izasla na svetlo dana, ma kakva ona bila. Ne treba biti u strahu od onoga sto može biti otkriveno ili od onoga što se polako pomalja iz dubina vremena. To svakako ne treba da sluzi za omalovazavanje drugih grupa ljudi, jer na kraju svi smo samo neko vreme na ovoj planeti te posle toga odlazimo. Ne, nikako, ali to istrazivanje može pomoći odredjenom narodu na proširenju svesti o sebi i boljem upravljanju u buducnosti.
Znaš, dete koje ne zna svoje roditelje, svoju proslost je veoma nesigurno i plasljivo dete za razliku od onoga ciji su koreni jasno definisani. Tako ti je i sa narodima.
Zbog toga može biti poucno da vidimo i pokusamo da dodjemo do nekih korena naroda Srba koji svoje vreme pocese da mere pre 7517 godina. Najstariji kalendar na zemlji.

Pozdrav
partita
(lumpenproleter)
2009-11-09 06:19 AM
benin, nisam mislila na velicinu u istorijskom, duhovnom ili kulturnom smislu, već cisto brojcanom. po tome koliko nas ima, mi srbi smo, nazalost, mali narod - slamka među vihorove, sto bi rekli.

svakako da treba da znamo svoje korene, ali neki u tome idu predaleko i nalaze ih u egzoticnim i mocnim drevnim narodima. nešto slično kao kad mali decko fantazira da je veliki junak cudesnih sposobnosti, da bi, između ostalog, metaforicki izvojevao pobedu nad svojim realnim nedostatkom fizicke i mentalne moći.
arije
(sozidatelj stolpa serpskjago)
2009-11-09 06:51 AM
partita
(lumpenproleter)09. novembar 2009. u 03.52zalosno je kad neki mali narod kao sto smo mi kompenzira nedostatak velicine i značaja gradeci nekakve grandiozne teorije o svom poreklu,

pametno receno !!! potpisujem .nazalost draga partita u nasem narodu je neko inicirao ovo zanimanje glupostima.nije to bez veze.da nekog satanizujete onda je potrebno da ga proglasite mitomanom i nacistom.srpske price o neverovatnomn poreklu su u korenu rasisticke i nacisticke.specijalno napravljeno i specijalno se sa tim bave.neki naravno i bez novca ,dobronamern ozato sto su im mozgovi retardirani a neki smišljeno za odgovarajucu novcanu nadoknadu...savki normalan covek na svetu posle citanaj takvih tekstova reci će za srbe da su narod dostojan zaljenja ...imamo mi svoju istoriju naravno .međutim ona je dosta cemernija i zalosnija od onog kako mi to neobjektivno vidimo.mi smo mali narod i uvek smo nazalost bili mali narod .neobrazovani ,bez kulture ,potlaceni i izaganjani istrebljavani ,nasilno prevodjeni iz vere u veru itd ...nasa istorija je pelin ... zato se mnogi srbi odvajkada poakzuju većim nego sto jesu ...ali to je zalosno ... ko zna ,mozd ace neki srbi za 200 godina pevati opet neke bajke o nama ,mada mi sami znamo kakva smo govna ...ko to ne vidi ima duplo veću sramotu .ne verujemo ni u boga ,nismo patriote ,prodali smo nasu zemlju komunistima ,prodali smo kosovo bez zrna baruta itd ...tj mi nemamo bas nijedan jedini razlog da se ponosimo ali eto po pricama nekih retarda odavde mi smo stari 9000 godina ...e takve price su opasne po nas mentalni sklop.mi moramo da se otreznimo i objektivno sagledamo nasu velicinu .
benin
(student)
2009-11-09 08:02 AM
Arije

Ja se slazem da covek mora biti oprezan pri istrazivanju, ali evo primera gde drugi pišu o Srbima. Znaci ne neki mitoman Srbin, već covek rodom iz Austrije, za koju ne možemo reći da nam je bas bila prijateljska tokom istorije.

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„Strong God, he slew Anarsani, Srbinda, Pipru, and the friend, Ahisuva, and loosed the floods.” From all the European peoples the Serbs are the only race from the construction of the wording of their name, according to the Austrian sanskritologist Walter Wust who are composed in the Vedic hymns as the characteristic SRBINDA, in which almost letter to letter is identical to the modern form SRBENDA used by Balkan Serbs.

In the Vedic manuscripts, Wust interprets, SRBINDA as its own original to say patented name with a predetermined meaning. Which is in complete harmony to thinking of today’s SRBENDA expression in Serbs, because Srbenda is always the best, the most respected, most brave, the greatest for respecting tradition: in short a man who is used and shown as an example to others. Srbin(da) in the Serbian language means Serb. Srbinda in Rig Veda represents mythological being or more likely the Prince of Serbs.

He therefore informs us that this name is found in one of three Rig-Vedas, in the oldest written lyrics of the Vedas, in book VIII., 32., 2.:
,,yah Srbindam anarsanim
piprum dasam ahisuvam…„

Wust disagrees with Sayanas translation of Srbinda s a mythological character but turns to Oldenburg’s interpretation that Srbinda is of a real character who was a leader of soldiers, a Duke. With this duke who clashed with the Indians and living God Indra.

To mention that Sr- grouping appears in configurations:
Sraja, Srnaja, Srmara, while the syllable Srb-. Appears only once in Srbinda underlining those other elaborative examples which have been exclusively taken from the Vedas.

Wust presumes that the group S – R – B found in the Vedas of Iranian descent , just as the titles: Drbhika, Brbu, Brsaya, Srnaya, In which Mr. A. hillebrandt thinks are descended from the ,,Iranian highlands” or near naighbouring regions.

,,Srbinda wurde demnoch soviel heissen wie Herr, Furst, Erster der SRB-s und mit einer Bedeutungsentwicklung, die aus vedischer und nachvedischer Zeit gelaufig ist, darnch die Srb’s Selbst.„

,,Srbinda would mean to be understood the same as Master, Prince, the first among Serbs.

V.M. Macdonell, in his Vedic Mythology, derives the Sanskrit etymologies of the names of most of the demons of drought and darkness; but in respect of the names SRbinda and IlIbiSa, he suggests that they have ”an un-Aryan appearance.„(VM, p.162. )

Sayana indian translator (15th century) of vedic hymns writes: Serbhinda the master of Inda.

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...ili mislis da su svi ovi ljudi retardi..??
Ima ih još koji se bave ovoim pitanje a nisu našeg porekla. Zar je moguće da su i oni mitomani i zavedeni i namerno rade da dobiju nama neku nepoznatu korist..??

Da li ti imaš objašnjenje zašto nas narod broji godine od pre 7500, te se ta godina podudara sa zavrsetkom rata poznatog kao Mahabharata ?

Iskren pozdrav

partita
(lumpenproleter)
2009-11-09 02:30 PM
poreklo imena jednog naroda ne mora da znaci i samo poreklo tog naroda.
benin
(student)
2009-11-09 04:05 PM
Dr_Jojboli

V.M. Macdonell, in his Vedic Mythology, derives the Sanskrit etymologies of the names of most of the demons of drought and darkness; but in respect of the names SRbinda and IlIbiSa, he suggests that they have „an un-Aryan appearance.”(VM, p.162. )
benin
(student)
2009-11-09 07:39 PM
Evo još par podataka od autora koji ne behu Srbi.

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• Strabo (63 - 19 BC): „the river Kanthos/Skamandros is called Sirbis (Sirbika) by the natives.” ( Strabonis rerum geographicarum libri septendicini, Basileza 1571 s. 763).The Geographika is an extensive work by Strabo, spanning 17 volumes, and can be regarded as an encyclopedia of the geographical knowledge of his time;

• Pliny (69-75 AD): „beside the Cimerians live Meotics, Valians, Serbs (Serboi), Zingians, Psesians.” (Historia naturalis, VI, c. 7 & 19 Leipzig 1975). It coincides with the Tacitus's view on Serbian ancient homeland among the Iranian peoples of the Caucasus.

• Ptolemy (150 AD): „between the Keraunian mountains and the river Pa, live the Orineians, Valians and Serbs.” (Geographia V, s. 9). Ptolemy also mention the city in Pannonia named Serbinum (present day Gradiška in Republika Srpska, Bosnia and Herzegovina). This well known ancient scientist one more time points out to the Caucasus placing Serbs close to Black Sea riviera.

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mandalina
(vila)
2009-11-13 07:33 PM
Kod nekih naroda SAVA OTAC postao je SAVAOT čak i SABAOT.
Mnogo pre Rastka Nemanjića.

Kažu još da je reč
sava ( sanskrit ) sok iz Soma biljke, sok cvetova, med cvetova...pokretač,inicijator,komandant,impuls,aktivnost Sunca

Jedno apokrifno srpsko srednjevekovno rukopisno delo svedoči o borbi Safe /Boga sa zmijom.(ima u knjizi Red Zmaja) Zmiju su posle imenovali Levijatan, ..I promenili propagandom anti-teze bedboys i goodboys.Posledice još osećamo.

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