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Pastor Jusuf Nadarkhani
limarker5
2012-02-24 04:35 PM
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13886003/Iraner-sitzt-in-der-Todeszelle-weil-er-Christ-wurde.html
Gde: U Iran
Nadarkhani Jusuf je Pastor jedne hrišćanske zajednice u Iranu.
Uhapšen još u decembru 2006. godine.
Razlog: Prešao u Hrišćanstvo.
Viši sud je odlučio: smrt kroz vešanje.
Kad: ovih dana

Postoji peticija, ako to nešto pomaže.

bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-24 05:41 PM
Ta vijest kruži ima 3 godine. Do sada bi bio obješen u Iranu 100
Puta. Bolje bi bilo dase potpiše peticija za ubijanje civila po Iraqi, Sudanu, Libija,
dase prekine ratovanje itd. Kao Palestina itd.
Bazorilo
2012-02-24 05:43 PM
Važno je da Iranci uzivaju punu slobodu u Hrišćanskim zemljama.
bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-24 06:07 PM
Ti bio dole i znaš ? Prvo taj čovjek je na slobodi nije bio musliman a drugo
kad prucas o slobodi šta to uradi sloboda sa Iraka, Čečenije, Somalije, Libije, Palestine i uživanje slobode muslimana u BiH od 91 do 96.

FOX News: Iranian Pastor Faces Execution for Refusing to Recant Christian Faith

…Youcef Nadarkhani, 32, who maintains he has never been a Muslim as an adult, has Islamic ancestry and therefore must recant his faith in Jesus Christ, the 11th branch of Iran’s Gilan Provincial Court has ruled. Iran’s Supreme Court had ordered the trial court to determine whether Nadarkhani had been a Muslim prior to converting to Christianity.

„Pastor Nadarkhani has done nothing more than maintain his devout faith, which is a universal right for all people,” the statement released by the White House read. „That the Iranian authorities would try to force him to renounce that faith violates the religious values they claim to defend, crosses all bounds of decency, and breaches Iran’s own international obligations. A decision to impose the death penalty would further demonstrate the Iranian authorities’ utter disregard for religious freedom, and highlight Iran’s continuing violation of the universal rights of its citizens. We call upon the Iranian authorities to release Pastor Nadarkhani, and demonstrate a commitment to basic, universal human rights, including freedom of religion.”
Regulus_Gavrilo
(Blizzard over the Heaven)
2012-02-24 09:31 PM
bayernfc: „Ti bio dole i znaš ? Prvo taj čovjek je na slobodi nije bio musliman a drugo kad prucas o slobodi šta to uradi sloboda sa Iraka, Čečenije, Somalije, Libije, Palestine i uživanje slobode muslimana u BiH od 91 do 96.”

>>> није лако бити муслиманн - ти си слепац поред очију. хахахахахахааа!

Елем - о мени можеш да кажеш желиш (не само ти) али мора да признаш да су моја мерила пуно исправнија. Треба кретенима помоћи у међусобном истребљењу!

Проста математика! просто ко пасуљ!

Значи!

не правим разлику, били то амери, французи, или енглези, (империјалисти и колонијалисти)исто тако и талибани, муџахедини, муслимани (којима је увек тесно па би да освајају и да се шире онако како им Мухамед поручио)

Треба олош да се потамани, КОМПЉЕТ

ахххх

хвала на пажни..
Regulus_Gavrilo
(Blizzard over the Heaven)
2012-02-24 09:36 PM
ЖЕНО, Лимаркер, поздрављам да си отворила тему, немој да те обесхрабри ово Бајерна завијање (потписуј петицију) :)))
bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-24 10:11 PM
Gavrilo covjek je na slobodi...toliko ste humani pored vas I vase humanosti
demokratija ubija i danas dan na hiljade nedužni civila a vi peticiju potpisujete
a niste ni provjerili daje covjek na slobodi googlaj mali naces 20 različitih priča
jedni pušu da ima 27 a drugi 33 daje prešao na hrišćastvo a on
tvrdi da nije. I sve sa nekih blogova i čudnih webstranica.

Moja želja bi bila dase pokrene peticija za mir Palestine, Iraka, Srbije, Kosova, Sudana itd...tu narod gine i na Kosovu samo sto nije puklo u ime demokratije.
bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-24 10:20 PM
Druga priča ...

A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team.

Supporters fear Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old father of two who was arrested over two years ago on charges of apostasy, may now be executed at any time without prior warning, as death sentences in Iran may be carried out immediately or dragged out for years.

It is unclear whether Nadarkhani can appeal the execution order.

„The world needs to stand up and say that a man cannot be put to death because of his faith,” said Jordan Sekulow, executive director of The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ).

„This one case is not just about one execution. We have been able to expose the system instead of just letting one man disappear, like so many other Christians have in the past.”

It is also feared that Nadarkhani will be executed in retaliation as Iran endures crippling sanctions and international pressure in response to its nuclear agenda and rogue rhetoric. The number of executions in Iran has increased significantly in the last month.

„This is defiance,” Sekulow said. „They want to say they will carry out what they say they will do.”

The order to execute Nadarkhani came only days after lawmakers in Congress supported a resolution sponsored by Pennsylvania Rep. Joseph Pitts denouncing the apostasy charge and calling for his immediate release.

„Iran has become more isolated because of their drive for nuclear weapons, and the fundamentalist government has stepped up persecution of religious minorities to deflect criticism,” Pitts, a Republičan, told FoxNews.com. „The persecuted are their own citizens, whose only crime is practicing their faith.”

The ACLJ has been a major driving force in keeping Nadarkhani’s case in the international spotlight. Many other advocacy groups and human rights organizations also have mounted global campaigns and petitions against the Iranian government, and experts credit Nadarkhani’s international support for keeping him alive.

The ACLJ recently launched a Twitter campaign to publicize Nadarkhani’s case, asking participants to dedicate a daily tweet to „Tweet for Youcef,” stating the number of days he has been imprisoned (currently 863) and ending the tweet with „ViaOfficialACLJ,” sending readers back to the organization’s website where they could learn more about his case.

Tweets have reached 157 countries and over 400,000 people.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and 89 members of Congress, along with the European Union, France, Great Britain, Mexico and Germany, have condemned Iran for arresting Nadarkhani and have called for his quick release.

Nadarkhani was arrested in October 2009 and was tried and found guilty of apostasy by a lower court in Gilan, a province in Rasht. He was then given verbal notification of an impending death-by-hanging sentence.

His lawyers appealed the decision under the premise that Nadarkhani was never a Muslim at the age of majority, and the case was sent to Iran’s Supreme Court, which upheld the lower court’s decision of execution, provided it could be proven that he had been a practicing Muslim from the age of adulthood, 15 in Islamic law, to age 19, which was when he converted.

The lower court then ruled that Nadarkhani had not practiced Islam during his adult life but still upheld the apostasy charge because he was born into a Muslim family.

The court then gave Nadarkhani the opportunity to recant, as the law requires a man to be given three chances to recant his beliefs and return to Islam.

His first option was to convert back to Islam. When he refused, he was asked to declare Muhammad a prophet, and still he declined.

Iran’s judiciary had delayed in issuing a final verdict, fearing the decision would have far-reaching political implications.

Sources say Nadarkhani has been advised by family members, lawyers and members of his church to remain silent throughout his ordeal, out of fear that authorities may use his statements against him, a strategy commonly employed by the regime.

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Regulus_Gavrilo
(Blizzard over the Heaven)
2012-02-24 10:56 PM
Ја нисам хуман Бајерн, барем не глобално, оно што тражи да пропадне, треба да пропадне. Тако да - мене не урачунавај у неке статистике.
bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-24 11:12 PM
Ovdje je imao 35 drugacija priča...
On je 77 godište a 2011 je imao 34...

http://hrdip.com/urgent-call-to-save-life-of-pastor-nadarkhani/
revizor
(pilot)
2012-02-25 01:05 AM

Svet ljubi greh, a mrzi pravdu i to je uzrok neprijateljstva prema Isusu.Svi koji odbijaju Njegovu beskrajnu ljubav dolaze do zakljucka da je hrišćanstvo cinilac koji remeti njihov mir.Hristova svetlost razgoni tamu koja prikriva njihove grehe i neophodnost reforme postaje ocigledna.Dok oni koji se potcine uticaju Svetoga Duha pocinju da ratuju sami sa sobom,dotle oni koji se drže greha ustaju protiv istine i njenih predstavnika.Tako se stvara razdor, pa Hristovi sledbenici bivaju optuzeni kao takvi koji unose nemir među ljude.

Da li u Bozjoj reci i Njegovoj pravdi vidimo ljubav ili osvetoljubivost, to u velikoj meri pokazuje principe koji nas same rukovode u odnosu prema gresnicima i grehu.Mi treba da osudjujemo greh, ali ne i gresnika.Gresniku treba da pomognemo:

„ NE IDI KAO OPADAC PO NARODU SVOM, I NE USTAJ NA KRV BLIZNJEGA SVOGA;JA SAM GOSPOD.NEMOJ MRZETI NA BRATA SVOGA U SRCU SVOM;SLOBODNO POKARAJ BLIZNJEGA SVOGA I NEMOJ TRPETI GREHA NA NJEMU.NE BUDI OSVETOLJUBIV,... NEGO LJUBI BLIZNJEGA SVOG KAO SAMOGA SEBE.”3 Moj.19,16-18.

Zapazimo kako Bozja reč ukazuje na razliku između osudjivanja koje je pokrenuto duhom ljubavi i onog osudjivanja koje predstavlja izgovor za mrznju i osvetoljubivost sopstvenog gresnog srca.
Umesto Bozjeg moralnog zakona,mnogi na svoje srce primenjuju zakon Bozje pravde, i njime izgovaraju svoju osvetoljubivost i mrznju.Kada su Hristovi ucenici predlozili da oganj padne sa neba i istrebi samarjane koji su odbili da pruze gostoprimstvo njihovom Ucitelju,tada Isus „okrenuvsi se zapreti i rece: Ne znate kakvoga ste duha;jer Sin covjeciji nije dosao da pogubi duse covjecje nego da sacuva.”Luka 9,55-56.

U Starom zavetu PISANO JE : „ LJUBI BLIZNJEGA SVOJEGA” a zapovest „ mrzi na neprijatelja svojega” nije pisana u Starom zavetu, jer Isus kaže „ CULI STE KAKO JE KAZANO” zato što vodi poreklo iz crkvenog predanja. Zapovest „ oko za oko,zub za zub.” 3 Moj.24,20 je bila zapovest GRADJANSKOG ZAKONA ( sen Bozje pravde koja će u dan suda pohoditi nepravednike),ali su je neposveceni Jevreji tumacili kao da je zapovest MORALNOG ZAKONA da bi opravdali gnev i mrznju u svom srcu.
Međutim, moralni zakon je i u Starom zavetu otkrivao nacela ljubavi prema neprijatelju:

„ Ne budi osvetoljubiv ...” 3 Moj.19,18
„ Nemoj govoriti osveticu se za zlo!”
„ Ne govori : kako je meni učinio,tako ću ja njemu učiniti.”
„ Kada padne neprijatelj tvoj, nemoj se radovati.”
Ako je tvoj neprijatelj gladan, hlebom ga nahrani.„ Price(20,22;24,29.17;25,21.)

Ocigledno da je coveku veliko iskusenje da uzme Bozju pravdu u svoje ruke i njom izgovori svoje gresne osobine.
limarker5
2012-02-25 01:28 AM

Savko može da potpiše peticiju. Čovek je već 5 i kusur godina u zatvoru- stalno pod strepnjom na tu predsudu, jer je od početka tako presuđeno, samo se čeka dan.

Svako ko je dobre volje nek potpiše peticiju.

1. P. Petrova 3,14: Aber auch wenn ihr um der Gerechtigkeit willen leiden müßt, sei ihr seligzupreisen. Fürchtet euch nicht vor ihnen, und laßt euch nicht erschrecken, 15 sondern haltet in eurem Herzen Christus, den Herrn heilg!

bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-25 01:40 AM
Limaker dali ti čitaš sto sam postavio?
Ako možeš pronadzi video zapis o njemu, dali je da interviju za tv-e,
žena, crkva, advokat, vijesti itd...nema ništa osim više verzija o njemu.
Covjek je na slobodi piše u novinama mogu ti postaviti i nije
pet godina nego jedni kažu 2, 3, 4, ...2012 u Januaru ima
34 godine a 2011 u Oktombru 35... Uhvaćen 2007 a drugtoi pišu 2010 i 2011.

Daj te video zapis...nešto o tome!
bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-25 02:01 AM
Novine iz 2011 imao 32 godine.

Youcef Nadarkhani, 32, who maintains he has never been a Muslim as an adult, has Islamic ancestry and therefore must recant his faith in Jesus Christ, the 11th branch of Iran's Gilan Provincial Court has ruled. Iran's Supreme Court had ordered the trial court to determine whether Nadarkhani had been a Muslim prior to converting to Christianity.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/28/iranian-pastor-faces-execution-for-refusing-to-recant-christian-fai...

Ovdje iz 2011 ima 35god

http://hrdip.com/urgent-call-to-save-life-of-pastor-nadarkhani/

Ovdje piše daje uhvaćen 2009 a foxnews 2010 a ti tvrdis prije 5 godina.

Pastor Nadarkhani of the Church of Iran denomination was initially arrested I

n Rasht in 2009. In September 2010 he was tried and found guilty of apostasy, and sentenced to death. After further legal wrangling in 2011 during which the pastor thrice refused to recant his faith to save his own life, his case was eventually referred to Iran’s Supreme Leader, as international pressure mounted on his behalf. Towards the end of 2011, CSW received unconfirmed reports indicating that the case may have been passed on to the head of the Iranian judiciary, and that execution may have been delayed for up to a year to allow time to convince the pastor to renounce his faith.

http://dynamic.csw.org.uk/article.asp?t=press&id=1305

Ovdje piše drugačije...

Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani never practiced the Muslim faith and converted to Christianity at age 19, becoming a pastor later. But the courts say that since his mother and father were practicing Muslims, he must recant his Christian faith or die. So far, in three court appearances, he has refused to do so - RISKING EXECUTION AT ANY MOMENT.

Eto različite stvari jedni tvrde ovako drugi onako...pitanje
za tebe ko stoji iza ovoga?

Ovdje piše sledeće pogledaj godine, zatim tvrdi on da nije rođen musliman
U prehodnom textu ovdje daje rođen. Zašto svaka vijest ima drugačiju verziju.

. Pastor Yusuf Nadarkhani aged 32 was running a House Church in Gilan province of Islamic Iran and arrested under charges of Apostasy in 2009.

The 33-year-old was arrested in 2009 after he challenged the law which insists that all schools should teach Islam.

Born to Muslim parents, Nadarkhani converted to Christianity at the age of 19 and despite repeated requests from the court has refused to repent of his faith

http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1701371026&targetid=profile
bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-25 02:13 AM
Nova verzija je; Znači ovo mi lici samo dase piše da narod ima šta da cita.

Iranian pastor faces death for rape, not apostasy - report

September 30, 2011 | By Dan Merica, CNN

Christian Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani will be put to death for several charges of rape and extortion, charges that differ greatly from his original sentence of apostasy, Iran's semi-official Fars News agency reported Friday.

Gholomali Rezvani, the deputy governor of Gilan province, where Nadarkhani was tried and convicted, accused Western media of twisting the real story, referring to him as a „rapist.” A previous report from the news agency claimed he had committed several violent crimes, including repeated rape and extortion.
limarker5
2012-02-25 09:38 AM
Bayern FC, ako želiš potpiši peticiju - ja nemam vremena tvoje postove sve da pročitam, žao mi je.
Na link gore je naveden side petiticije i muslimani mogu da se potpišu.
Inaće informacija sledi direktno od human right watch.

Nisam ovu temu otvorila da diskutujem o njoj.

Ko želi pomoći čoveku, ponavljam nek pomogne.
bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-25 10:45 AM
Da potpusem šta? CNN javi daje on silovao, kriminal it'd...šta znači neželiš da citadel istinu nebas ni sama šta pitpisujete...humani ste nema šta.

Daste tako bili humani nebi se desio Itaq i sada niko da potpiše mir za Palestinu.
limarker5
2012-02-25 12:11 PM
kod ovih peticija se radi o pojedinačnim ljudima a ne države i političare. naprimer na ovaj http://www.igfm.de/Detailansicht.384+M5abab064729.0.html
ima peticija za kurdskog gradonačelnika.

No za Jusuf je hitno!!!!

bayernfc
(Sve)
2012-02-25 02:51 PM
Jusuf je na SLOBIDI ...koji je silovao it'd...ti bas ignorises.
von_Daniken
(BUUUUU!!!)
2012-02-25 02:55 PM
„The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke
berfin
2012-02-25 09:14 PM
@ von_Daniken
(BUUUUU!!!) pls define good men ...
von_Daniken
(BUUUUU!!!)
2012-02-28 12:31 PM
„Da potpusem šta? CNN javi daje on silovao, kriminal it'd...šta znači neželiš da citadel istinu nebas ni sama šta pitpisujete...humani ste nema šta.”

covjek je optuzen samo zato što je hrišćanin i sto kao takav može da nanese stetu islamu, je l' tako? sad kada je svijet pritisnuo onda su se poceli baviti trikovima i podmetacinama odnosno laznim optuzbama!! no, ništa novo u islamu(takija)..

berfin, ako pratimo Golden Rule( znaš ono: ne čini drugom što ne želiš da tebi drugi čini)ili common sense(zdrav razum)i uvazavanje, na dobrom smo putu.
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