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Nove med. informacije o batinam kao metodi odgoja
zg7666
2013-09-12 07:29 PM
Još nekoliko novih informacija od strane strucnjaka i na kraju teksta izvori koji vam mogu biti od koristi kao ste zainteresovani za alternativu:

* „Psychologytoday” - by Darcia Narvaez, Ph.D.
Istraživanje o batinama: Loše su za svu djecu. Udaranje podriva dobrobit djece i na duži rok...
„In terms of whether parental aggression (spanking) decreases aggression in the child, the answer is no. In fact, spanking tends to increase child aggression. ”
„Spanking does not convey positive guidance on how to behave in a particular situation, only how not to behave if a threat of punishment is at hand.”
„ Long-term compliance is decreased after spanking (Gershoff, 2002; Gershoff & Grogan-Kaylor, 2013).”
„It destroys trust. Children trust their parents just a little less.
...Spanking is harmful for even more reasons, the review indicates:
Spanking destroys mental health.
Spanking increases delinquency and criminal behavior.
Spanking makes it more likely the child will be physically abused.”
- http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids
* Kako Batine škode mozgu, Molly S. Castelloe, Ph.D. in The Me in We
„Spanking erodes developmental growth in children and decreases a child's IQ, a recent Canadian study shows.
This analysis, conducted at the Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario in Ottawa, offers new evidence that corporal punishment causes cognitive impairment and long-term developmental difficulties.” - http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-me-in-we/201202/how-spanking-harms-the-brain?tr=MostEmailed
* SMU, psychology professor George Holden talks with Journalist Anderson Cooper about spanking as part of the „Anderson” show. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fmltqyt05g&list=PL990D535CE81B127E
* „Daily Mirror”:
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* „Medicalnewstoday”, Žrtve maltretiranja u djetinjstvu prolaze lošije u odraslom dobu - „The study, published in Psychological Science and led by Professor Dieter Wolke of Warwick University in the UK and Dr. William E. Copeland of Duke University Medical Center, is the first of its kind to investigate the effects of childhood bullying on adulthood.

The results of the study show that of the four groups, the bully-victim proved the most vulnerable group of all, suffering several adverse consequences in adulthood, including:
Increased likelihood of psychiatric disorder diagnosis
Increased likelihood of smoking on a regular basis
Slow recovery rate from illness
Poor academic achievement, struggling to keep work, low economic wealth
Less likely to form saving habits in young adulthood.
Difficulty in maintaining friendships and positive relations with parents.”
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265905.php
***I malo pomoći onima koji su je spremni prihvatiti:
Kako da prestanete da koriste batine. Ako ste roditelj, ili planirate da bude roditelj, koji žele da nauče da ne koriste batine, ovde je mjesto sa resursima za pomoć. - http://stopspanking.org/resources/

Ciklus zlostavljanja djece i kako da ga prekinete - http://blog.selfarcheology.com/2013/09/the-cycle-of-child-abuse-and-how-to-end.html

zg7666
2013-09-12 07:29 PM
Batine su definisane kao „udaranje djeteta po stražnjici sa otvorenom rukom”.
Vlada77
2013-09-13 10:11 AM
Nije zdravo i kontraproduktivno je. Deci treba dati ljubavi. Moj brat i snajka imaju malo dvoje dece, decaka i devojcicu koji polude kao i svaka deca ponekad iako su toliko umiljati većinom vremena.

Moja snajka koja je velika pametnica (procitala je 'milion knjiga o deci' pre nego što se porodila, svi smo je zbog toga zezali) ima neku metodu koju je naucila iz tih knjiga ... ide ovako ... kada dete pocne da malo besni i da se ponasa kako ne treba ona im kaže 'idete u kaznu' ... kazna se sastoji da dete sedi u 'kazni' u nekom delu sobe koje je za to određeno ... znaci samo sede tu nekoliko minuta, i budu ignorisani za tih par minuta (naravno posmartani, ali se sa nima ne prica). Deca placu, joj mama, neću vise pa se smire ... niko ih nije dotakao za tih par minuta ali znaju jako dobro šta je 'kazna'. Sledeći put kada se ponasaju nedosledno, dovoljno im je da im kažeš 'smiri se ili ides u kaznu'. neverovatna stvar kako to radi.

Evo jedne smesne price. Moja mama kada je dosla ovde u Kanadu da nas poseti nije to mogla da razume, stalno je htela malu necaku da stiti ... ona kao 'nemojte dete u kaznu da place' pa to se tako ne radi, samo je malo po turu biće ona u redu. Moj brat umoran od posla rece njoj 'Mama idete vas obe u kaznu' ... ja umroh od smeha ali pokusavam da ne pokazem ... nasa mama i mala necaka sede obe u cosku sobe 'u kazni' i teshe se, ma da pogines od smeha.

zg7666
2013-09-13 12:55 PM
Hvala za komentar Vlado, hvala i sto si protiv batina :)

Da, često vidjam roditelje koji paze na svaki detalj ishrane, odjece, gdje i kako dijete spava, kada koga vidja... a o psihologiji ni slova da procitaju. Zato pohvala snajki na trudu. Poznajem i ja ljude koji koriste 'kaznu'.
Koliko sam upucen podaci o tzv. time-out, to je ta pomenuta metoda, podaci su kontraverzi. Ima i onih podataka za i onih protiv, dakle nije savrsena metoda. Ono što se zna da je svakako bolja od batina i to imaš dio iz prvog postavljenog istrazivanja iznad, http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids , gdje kaže: Nevertheless, some studies have been done. In one set of analyses with young children in the laboratory, time outs worked just as well as spanking for (immediate) subsequent compliance on 30 tasks assigned by the mother. Long-term compliance is decreased after spanking (Gershoff, 2002; Gershoff & Grogan-Kaylor, 2013).

Prica je zaista simpaticna. Pozdravi snajku, pohvali je od jednog totalno nebitnog lika sa neta :) i ako ikada budes u prilici, ovo su neki od onih izvora iz prvog komentara; za bolji odgoj, bez batina, pa se mogu naći razni savjeti. Ugl. su alternativa batinama, ali postoji i alternativa 'kazni', a možda i tebi nekad zatreba, ko zna:

If you are looking for alternatives to spanking and groups of mothers trying to do the same, check out Attachment Parenting - http://www.attachmentparenting.org/principles/disc.php. This website gives you other tools to put in your parenting tool kit that are helpful when you are at your wits end.

Beyond Consequences Institute- http://www.beyondconsequences.com/index.html : This blog has videos, articles, and an internet support group for parents who are trying to move beyond punishment in educating their children.

What Do I Do When My Child HITS Me - http://www.ahaparenting.com/parenting-tools/positive-discipline/Child-Hits-parent ? Dr. Laura Markham’s Advice

https://www.facebook.com/peacefulparenting - www.DrMomma.org advocates on behalf of babies' and children's health and well-being with an empirical research foundation.

20 Alternatives to Spanking - http://www.awareparenting.com/twenty.htm , Aletha Solter, Ph.D.

22 Alternatives to Spanking - http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/22_alternatives.html , Jan Hunt, Natural Child Project
Instead of Spanking - http://robbynpeters.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/instead-of-spanking.pdf (Short & Simple One Page Handout)
Crying Babies - http://www.childcarequarterly.com/pdf/fall10_babies.pdf , How to Soothe Your Child, so She Can Soothe Herself
10 Ways to Guide Children Without PUNISHMENT - http://www.ahaparenting.com/_blog/Parenting_Blog/post/10_Ways_To_Guide_Children_%96_Without_Discipline/ , Dr. Laura Markham
Danger Discipline - http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/danger-discipline - Dr. Sears describes how to protect little children from hot stoves and busy streets without hitting.
How To Help Your Child STOP HITTING - http://www.ahaparenting.com/_blog/Parenting_Blog/post/Dealing_with_Your_Own_Feelings_When_Your_Child_Hits/ , Dr. Laura Markham’s Advice
Christian Point of View- http://www.nospank.net/cnpindex.htm - This site is for parents looking for parenting support that aligns with their Christian values. Many Christians believe in non-violent parenting.
Another Religious Point of View - Thy Rod and Thy Staff They Comfort Me - http://whynottrainachild.com/tag/samuel-martin/, is a wonderful online book by Samuel Martin addressing the biblical argument on spanking – an interpretation of non-violence.
Vlada77
2013-09-13 01:49 PM
Zg, ja nisam psiholog ali ovo sto radi moja snajka zaista radi. Vise je simbolicna kao 'kazna' i to je minut dva. Meni je grozno kada frustrirani roditelhi kaznjavaju decu fizicki. Grozno mi je kada čujem da je 'batina iz raja izasla'. Nije istina. Deca ne razumeju mnogo toga i treba im puno paznje.

Moja snajka koristi ovu naivnu 'kaznu' tek u posljednoj istanci. Oba su joj deteta jako lepo vaspitana. Ja se, kad imam vremena, igram sa klinkom, otrcim joj u sobu, legnem kao bajagi u njen krevet i kažem joj 'ajde pusti me da spavam, mnogo volim ovaj MOJ krevet', ona meni 'ma nije to tvoj krevet, to je moj' ... sad ću ja tebe da nateram da ides u kaznu ... ja se malo pravim blesav, pa je pustim da me odvede u tu 'strasnu' kaznu ... onda ona mene pita 'hoćeš biti sada dobar?', ja reko hoću, i onda mala pametnica kaže 'dobro' ... mala lisica sve zna :-)

zg7666
2013-09-15 08:59 AM
Da, da, svakako. Moj odgovor na ovo batina je iz raja izasla, uvijek je bio: I zato batine u raju nema.
Obično ide onoliko minuta koliko dijete ima godina, to se uzima kao neko pravilo...

Lijepo je vidjeti da imate dobar odnos. Drago mi je cuti za ovakve primjere, svaka cast. Nadam se da ćete uvijek imati tako dobar i otvoren odnos. Hvala ti sto si podijelio ove pricice :)
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