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Nasilje nad roditeljima: Bruka teža od šamara
Mrva79
20. новембар 2011. у 14.08
Nasilje nad roditeljima: Bruka teža od šamara
V. C. Spasojević | 19. novembar 2011. 20:59 | Komentara: 6
Koliko deca u Srbiji tuku svoje roditelje i zašto maltretiranje počinje od malih nogu. Nasilnici najčešće imaju između 35 i 45 godina i u finansijskim su problemima

Ilustracija Gorana Divca
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SVAKO peto dete u našoj zemlji fizički je zlostavljano, a zna se da je četvrtina njih žrtva emocionalnog i psihičkog zlostavljanja uglavnom roditelja. Ali niko ne zna koliko je roditelja žrtva vlastite dece. To je nepopularna i jedna od poslednjih tabu tema u Srbiji. U susednoj Hrvatskoj su izračunali da čak 35 odsto porodičnog nasilja spada u nasilje dece nad članovima porodice.

Ovde je, međutim, nepoznanica koliko dece i tinejdžera psihički ugnjetava majku ili oca. Svi naši sagovornici slažu se da je brojka sve veća, ali roditelje je sramota da prijave sopstvene potomke. Oni pozovu policiju ili se obrate nekom savetovalištu i centru za socijalni rad tek kada bukvalno budu uplašeni za sopstveni život.

Tako se policiji, prema podacima organizacije „Nasilje u porodici”, generalno prijavljuje tek 16,5 odsto slučajeva porodičnog zlostavljanja. U četvrtini slučajeva nasilnici nisu muževi i partneri, već majke i, sve češće, deca.

Računa se da su u polovini slučajeva roditelji, posebno stariji, žrtve psihičkog, a u 19 odsto fizičkog zlostavljanja. Statistika pokazuje i da nešto više od pet odsto starijih od 65 godina trpi surovo porodično ugnjetavanje. Zanimljivo je su žrtve najčešće žene starije od 75 godina, sa mentalnim ili fizičkim problemima, a polovina nasilnika su, ne sinovi, već ćerke i snahe!

Uprkos tome što su stvarne razmere ovog oblika torture nad ukućanima daleko veće od prijava, iz prošlogodišnje statistike centara za socijalni rad može se videti da od preko 4.800 prijavljenih zlostavljača, čak 1.087 čine „ostali”. A to su članovi porodice koji ne spadaju ni u grupu „muž ili partner”, ni u grupu „otac”. Znači, majke i sama deca.

BIĆE SVE GORE
NAJVEĆI broj zlostavljača starih jesu njihovi vlastiti sinovi i kćeri, kaže Nadežda Satarić, iz organizacije „Amiti”. - Fenomen nasilja dece nad roditeljima je sveprisutan i u porastu, ali se o toj pojavi ne priča dovoljno, jer se i sami roditelji stide da prijave, misleći da su pogrešili u vaspitanju deteta. U medije dospevaju samo najdrastičniji slučajevi, a policiji i centrima se prijavljuju tek retki primeri, kad žrtvama dojadi. Situacija će biti sve gora jer smo srušili stari, patrijarhalni sistem, a nismo izgradili novi - kaže Satarićeva.
Mada se veruje da je nemali broj nasilnika pod dejstvom alkohola ili droge, prema rečima Vesne Stanojević iz Savetovališta za žrtve nasilja u porodici, samo 37 odsto njih su alkoholičari.

- Više je onih koji trezni vrše nasilje, nego onih koji to čine pijani ili drogirani. Najviše roditelja koji su bili mete sopstvene dece javilo nam se početkom 2000-ih, kada je bilo aktuelno zaključivanje ugovora o doživotnom izdržavanju. Roditelji su sklapali takve ugovore sa decom i prebacivali na njih imovinu, a onda su ta ista deca pokušavala da ih eliminišu iz stanova - kaže Stanojević.

Situacija se danas promenila, pa su povod za nasilje lični i porodični odnosi. Nasilnici nad roditeljima najčešće imaju između 35 i 45 godina i u finansijskim su problemima. Neki su ostali bez posla, drugi ne dobijaju redovno plate, pa pokušavaju da se dokopaju majčine ili očeve penzije. Ako ne uspeju, slede šikaniranja, batine, izgladnjivanje, uskraćivanje lekova i grejanja. Čak i kad žele da preotmu stan, a roditelji su voljni da se presele u dom, deca nisu spremna to da finansiraju.

- Bez obzira na to što brojka od 32 roditelja žrtve ne izgleda velika, podaci su alarmantni ako znamo da roditelj najteže prijavljuje svoje dete. On ga brani i štiti. Čak i kad dođu ovde, majke kažu: „Nije kriv on (ili ona), kriva je kriza, ostao je bez posla, kriv je šef, kriv je zet (ili snaja)” - kaže Stanojević.

Ona dodaje i da je sve više majki koje su žrtve svojih 16-godišnjih i 17-godišnjih sinova. Razlozi su različiti, a najčešće su u pitanju dečaci iz razvedenih porodica ili narkomani.

Ali, nisu agresivna samo deca izložena nasilju, niti samo tinjdžeri i odrasli. Maltretiranje roditelja kreće od najranijeg doba. Jedno američko istraživanje pokazalo je da čak 11 odsto mališana do 10 godina grebe, grize, udara ili čupa majke. U Srbiji ove procente niko nije sabirao, ali, po psihoterapeutu Zoranu Milivojeviću, u pitanju je česta pojava:

- Najnovija istraživanja demantovala su stav da je nasilje uvek rezultat nasilja. Sve je više dece koja su nasilna jer su razmažena, jer im nisu postavljene granice.

Kada im ne date ono što žele, kod njih se javlja frustracija i to pokušavaju da izvuku po svaku cenu. Ona nisu socijalizovana, a roditelji ne mogu da ih obuzdaju. Mala deca obično misle da ih roditelji ne vole kad im nešto uskrate, pa pokušavaju kod mame i tate da izazovu samilost i osećaj krivice. Ako roditelj to ne zaustavi na vreme, iznuđivanje postaje kompleksnije.

- Razmaženo dete može da bude simpatično sa pet godina, ali nije isključeno da će sa 12, kada fizički osnaži, juriti majku oko stola sa nožem u rukama, jer mu ne da pare - upozorava Milivojević, i prepričava scenu u kojoj se ćerka, tinejdžerka, popela na prozor, preteći da će skočiti ako joj roditelji ne kupe jaknu koju želi, uz tekst: „Zar vam je važnije 300 evra od mog života?!”

NASILJE KAO OSVETA
- IMALI smo slučaj majke koja je ostala bez muža kad je sin imao 10 godina. On je sad student, i to izuzetno uspešan na svim poljima, ali se užasno ponaša prema majci. Baca tanjire sa hranom koju mu ponudi, gura je, pa i udari. Kroz priču se ispostavilo da je ona njega u tinjdžerskom dobu tukla metalnom šnalom od kaiša „da ne bi bio baraba kao ostali momci iz kraja”. I, zaista, on jedini u kraju danas studira, ali se uporno sveti majci. Nije joj oprostio - priča Vesna Stanojević.Šta u takvoj situaciji treba da urade majka i otac? Preporuka psihologa je da se obrate detetu rečima: „Mi te volimo, ne želimo da se ubiješ. Ako ipak odlučiš drugačije, bićemo jako žalosni, ali mi ne možemo da se osećamo krivim”.

A šta uraditi kada vas sasvim malo dete počupa ili ugrize?

- Malo dete doživljava svet kao sliku i zabavno mu je kada ugrize majku i ona skoči - objašnjava naš sagovornik. - On nema svest da to boli. Zato nije loše šljepiti ga da i dete oseti bol. Tako će naučiti najvažniju lekciju - ne želim da radim drugima ono što ne želim da drugi rade meni!

Milivojević smatra da će novi način vaspitanja i Građanski zakonik, po kojem će biti zabranjeno udariti dete, dovesti do nove vrste patologija. Imaćemo sve razmaženiju i sve agresivniju decu, s jedne strane, koja se neće snalaziti u svetu i neće moći da izgrađuju stabilne partnerske odnose, i, s druge, nemoćne roditelje, čiji će autoritet sve više padati.

Samim tim, rašće nasilje i u porodici i u društvu. Umesto međusobne ljubavi i poverenja, odnos između roditelja i njihovih potomaka pretvoriće se u uzajamne ucene i neprijateljstvo.

Izvor: Vecernje Novosti
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Mene zanima da li ima nasilja nad roditeljima u emigraciji odnosno da li je to specificno za mentalitet ili materijalno stanje? Ovo u Srbiji je uzas.

:-(

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SvetlostVostoka
(Hajduckoj krvi nek se ori cik)
20. новембар 2011. у 14.29
У Канади су напади на старије људе свакодневна појава. То је страшно. Прочитаје ове ужасне приче:

„Help Me: Elder abuse in Canada
Date: Friday Feb. 6, 2004 11:34 AM ET

Norma Stenson had been living in a retirement home in Brantford, Ontario for just a month when her supplemental caregivers - who provide extra nursing care that is not provided by the home -- first began to notice the signs.

”There were just little complaints,„ says Jean Bowen. Norma, a frail 87-year-old who has suffered several strokes, doesn't have an easy time communicating, but Bowen could tell she wasn't happy at Charlotte Villa Retirement Residence. Still, the home was considered to be one of the best in the city and she urged her client to give the facility the benefit of the doubt.

”I said, 'OK, everybody might not be happy with where they live.' So I talked to her about it, (I told her to) give it a chance because it's a new place.„

But it quickly became clear that Norma was being abused. ”She indicated by using my arms (that) she was shaken and tossed. ... By March it was getting worse - she wasn't being shaken anymore, she was being maybe hit somehow - just little bruises to start with. She indicated at one point that she was hit in the stomach, and I honestly believe she was because she could hardly move for a couple of weeks.„

When the bruises kept appearing, Bowen and Norma's other caregiver, Lesley Anthony, approached the director of care at Charlotte Villa. They were given excuses: Norma had fallen out of her wheelchair, she had hit herself on the bed rail, she was lying. ”The director of care ... hollered at me how I was too good to this woman, how I spoiled this woman, and it was about time that this lady gets treated the way the rest of them thought she should be treated,„ says Bowen.

Then employees at Charlotte Villa countered with complaints of their own, saying Norma had attacked a pregnant worker named Amanda LaPierre. She was accused of saying, ”I want to kill your unborn baby child,„ and of kicking LaPierre in the stomach.

”She hasn't put a sentence together in over seven years, so that was impossible,„ says Bowen. ”It was impossible for her to kick that high, it was impossible for her to even speak a whole sentence and threaten Amanda to begin with. It was just impossible - I mean, if she could talk, she would talk to me every day.„

With management at Charlotte Villa unwilling to acknowledge the abuse, Bowen and Anthony decided to take photos of Norma's bruises to the police. But they were told the photos proved nothing, and with Norma unable to speak on her own behalf, there was nothing they could do.

So Norma's two caregivers decided to take matters into their own hands, planting a hidden camera in her room. They thought it would take a while before they captured any incriminating footage. ”Norma was complaining every day, but we thought maybe it was just old age, maybe she had dementia. ... We didn't ever expect it would be eight days straight right from day one - we never expected it.„

Caught on camera was tape after tape of footage of Norma being thrown into bed, screamed at, threatened with fists and a slipper. The video also revealed workers helping themselves to Norma's food and to money from her wallet.

Bowen says the footage made her feel ”physically ill.„

”We couldn't just shut it off. As professionals, which we both are, we never dreamed that this was going on. I guess you hear about it, but to see it was hard.„

Armed with this new evidence, Bowen and Anthony went to the police again. Sgt. Dave Wiedrick was assigned to the case.

After viewing the videos, he says: ”I was shocked. If this had been a relative of mine, I would have been very upset.„

Charges were laid against two Charlotte Villa employees: LaPierre, who was charged with four counts of assault and two counts of theft; and Shelley Grisdale, who was charged with one count of assault and two counts of theft.

LaPierre pleaded guilty but claimed self-defence, and was sentenced to two years of probation and 240 hours of community service. Grisdale's verdict has yet to be decided.

After the abuse Norma experienced at Charlotte Villa was exposed, Bowen and Anthony helped her to move into another home called Versa Care. Unlike Charlotte Villa, Versa Care is a long-term care facility, so it's regulated by the provincial government and subject to strict laws about reporting abuse. Bowen and Anthony thought Norma's experience there would be different - but they were wrong.

Shortly after she arrived there, Norma indicated to Bowen and Anthony that she was being shaken. The complaints prompted the women to reinstall their hidden camera, and while what they saw wasn't as bad as the eight days in Charlotte Villa, over a period of months, they did see what they believed was abuse.

In one incident that occurred one morning at 4 a.m., a caregiver appears to shake Norma and then toss her into her wheelchair, finally slamming her arm against the chair. Bowen and Anthony say that episode left a bruise on Norma's forearm that took weeks to heal.

The pair was afraid to take this new evidence to Versa Care's management, for fear they would be labeled troublemakers and barred from the facility. So they took the footage to the police.

But this time, the Crown decided the incidents captured on film didn't constitute assault, which is a criminal offence. The Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care investigated and reached the finding that no abuse had occurred.

But the camera had recorded other incidents, including theft and one episode where a caregiver covered Norma's face with a pillow and left her.

Anthony says it came as a shock to learn that the Criminal Code didn't encompass these types of behaviours. ”As a caregiver, you're taught from day one, abuse is anything from verbal - you cannot threaten verbally; you cannot intimidate; you cannot shake; you cannot toss; you can't even tip them up from a prone position to a standing position without stopping. All those are supposed to be abuse and criminal.„

W-FIVE tried to ask Debbie Bonney, the director of Versa Care, about Norma's treatment at the facility, but she denied our request. Later at our invitation, Donna Kingelin, the vice president of long term care at Central Park Lodges -- the company that operates both Charlotte Villa and Versa Care - came to our offices together with company officials to view hidden camera footage.

While officials at Versa Care had previously concluded Norma was not being abused under their care, Kingelin quickly changed her opinion. ”When we walked out of your building after viewing those tapes,„ she said, ”we called the home. We found the staff that we saw on those videos, we asked if they were on. We sent them home immediately - we didn't waste a minute to act.„

Kingelin had no explanation for the sudden change of heart, and she stood by the thoroughness of Central Park Lodge's internal investigation. ”We take every complaint seriously,„ she said. ”There is nothing that we won't do to ensure the safety of our residents, and we'll always be diligent and always do the best thing for our residents.„

But abuse is happening to others too. Statistics Canada reports as many as seven per cent of all seniors are abused. And seniors' advocates say our laws still need to catch up to the seriousness of the problem.

In Canada, not one province has regulations covering abuse in retirement homes. In Ontario, there is a group that tries to set standards for these communities, but membership and compliance aren't mandatory.

”Our association accredits about 60 per cent of the retirement home beds in the province of Ontario,„ says Gord White, executive director of the Ontario Residential Care Association. ”That means 60 per cent are inspected, there's a review, they have policies and procedures. That also means 40 per cent are not - and as you can see, that's a huge gap.„

While Ontario's minister responsible for seniors has promised ORCA that he will legislate changes in the system, for now, Ontario - like the rest of Canada - remains unregulated.

”In an unregulated system, ... you're counting on the goodwill of the company that's providing you with services and the staff and the administration,„ Judith Wahl, president of the Advocacy Centre for the Elderly, told W-FIVE. ”In a regulated system, you have the scrutiny of an independent third eye and I think that's very important.

„I think these kinds of incidents are the tip of the iceberg,” she adds. „I think these illustrate that we need to look at these issues much more comprehensively and make service changes and legislative changes.”

In the meantime, it remains difficult to tell what goes on behind the closed doors of retirement and nursing homes and many seniors - especially those who don't have family who can provide home care - are at the mercy of the system.

Unless, of course, they're lucky enough to have friends like Bowen and Anthony.

„You know, this is not a client-caregiver relationship,” says Anthony.„ And there's no going back to that at this point. There's no way of turning our backs and walking away.”„

Извор: http://tinyurl.com/2d6mvan
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SvetlostVostoka
(Hajduckoj krvi nek se ori cik)
20. новембар 2011. у 14.34
Напади на старије људе у Канади се појачавају:

„Trend data show that between 1998 and 2005, the overall rate of police-reported violence against seniors increased 20%.”

Извор: http://tinyurl.com/cbu6ld3

За само 7 година повећање од 20% је шокантно! Шта се то дешава у Канади?
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SvetlostVostoka
(Hajduckoj krvi nek se ori cik)
20. новембар 2011. у 14.46
Ужасавајући напади на старије људе у Канади су све јачи и јачи. Та страшна појава је дошла и до канадског парламената:

„Elder abuse a ‘hidden crime,’ MPs say
Published On Thu Nov 17 2011

OTTAWA—A criminal crackdown and greater public awareness are needed to combat the growing problem of elder abuse in Canada, which leaves thousands of seniors ”wounded and frightened„ every year, a new study says.

Just as society turned a blind eye to child and spousal abuse decades ago, abused seniors are suffering from the same neglect today, warns an all-party committee of MPs.

Their report issued Thursday calls for a ”cultural transformation„ to ensure that elder abuse is seen as ”absolutely unacceptable.„

”I’m shocked at the lack of awareness. If we can build awareness and just make it wrong, the way we did with spousal and child abuse then people will be more apt to break the cycle of silence,„ Liberal MP Frank Valeriote said.

The report estimates that 400,000 seniors are abused each year in Canada, often by someone they know — a family member, caregiver, neighbour or landlord.

”That’s why there is so much abuse and it’s so unreported. Seniors are vulnerable psychologically but they’re also dependent . . . they don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them,„ said Valeriote, one of the co-chairs of the committee that wrote the report.

”There’s all sorts of abuse. Landlords are abusing older people that are living in squalor conditions,„ he said.

The findings are contained in a report done by the committee on palliative and compassionate care, an ad hoc group of MPs seeking to improve care for elderly, dying and vulnerable people.

Its chapter on elder abuse paints a stark picture of Canadian seniors suffering physical violence, sexual and psychological abuse and neglect.

And as baby boomers reach retirement age, they risk being financially abused as well, their assets striped away, sometimes by their own debt-laden children.

The report makes a number of recommendations to curb senior abuse, which it calls a ”too often hidden crime.„

It urges Ottawa to establish a new office dedicated to combating elder abuse and suggests funding to better research the reasons behind the problem.

It also recommends legal services for low income seniors and emergency shelters to provide safe, short-term refuge.

It also suggests that the courts aren’t taking the problem seriously as it urges a ”shift in perception„ within the legal system. Rarely are abuse cases successfully prosecuted and when they are, ”token„ penalties are handed out.

”It is essential that Canada comes to the point where violence and abuse against elderly persons is no longer tolerated even tacitly,„ it says.

In addition to the work on elder abuse, the group also made detailed recommendations on palliative care and suicide prevention.

The report also urges a national palliative care strategy to replace a patchwork of services that leaves many Canadians without the care they need in their final days.

It says the health-care system is ”unprepared„ for the coming shift to cope with the country’s aging population.

The report recommends a national suicide prevention strategy, saying current efforts are ”fragmented, disconnected and lacking an overall vision.„

”Suicide intervention does save lives. Yet suicide prevention and intervention is a patchwork in Canada most depending on the generosity of volunteers,„ the report says.

It suggests coordinated efforts, better research and extra resources could save some of the almost 4,000 Canadians who commit suicide each year.

”Working together in a coordinated manner many lives can be saved . . . the time has come for Canada to seriously address this problem,„ the report said.”

400.000 старијих људи бива нападнуто сваке године у Канади!!! Застрашујуће!!!

Прочитајте и последњи део извештаја у коме се говори повећању броја самоубистава у Канади услед ових малретирања старијих.

ПАЖЊА!!! ЧУВАЈТЕ СЕ КАНАДЕ!!!
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Seeb-M
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21. новембар 2011. у 08.21
evo za one koji nisu dobro čuli pjesmu još jednom, ja castim :))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utqRbo3XoR4&feature=player_embedded

Pjesma jeste brutalna, ali takova i tema..

Nabraja tamo u pjesmi šta sve radi što ne valja pa kaže:
„Tolerancija mi nije jača strana,
a svi drugi grese a ja sam bez mana.”

Pjesma je bas parodija na takove..

Tamo odprilike prije nekih 20 god. sjedio sam sa drustvom u jednoj hrvatskoj birtiji. I odjednom sjede za nas stol neki tip prilično razvijen, i kaže: „Hajde sad da čujem ovdje tko je tko ovdje?”
Da ne bi nekih Hrvata koji se prije izjasnjavanja postavise i izbacise radoznalog gosta ne znam kako bismo nas par Srba tom prilikom prošli :))

Eh, sad ne znam kako vi tu neki ocekujete da se netko tko je Hrvat ili Bosanac.., ovdje vama izjasni?
E zato sam ja osjecao potrebu da se umjesam!

Kad ste takovi frajeri što ne odete negdje među Hrvate ili Bosance pa postavite takovo pitanje? ..jes malo sutra, nego ovdje zamisli velike demonstarcije srpstva..

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Lesoto
(Viribus Unitis)
21. новембар 2011. у 14.29
Mene zanima da li ima nasilja nad roditeljima u emigraciji odnosno da li je to specificno za mentalitet ili materijalno stanje? Ovo u Srbiji je uzas.
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Nema. TakOvo nešto je nepojmljivo u zapadnom svetu. Nasilje u porodici, alkoholizam, narkomanija, otmice dece, masovna ubistva, kriminal, pedofilija i decja pornografija itd. sve je to jedna velika izmišljotina zlonamernih ljudi i protivnika zapadnog sistema vrednosti. Sram ih bilo, kako su samo zli i zlonamerni, da covek ne poveruje.
KaiserSoze
(Гибаничар)
21. новембар 2011. у 14.34
Управо тако. Овде као и другде на западу уопште нема криминала! 100% истина.
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Mrva79
22. новембар 2011. у 00.52
Zanima me još otkud to da tolike patriJote napuste (čitaj izdaju) svoju zemlju i odu bas na taj ''truli Zapad'' koji je ''ízmislio nasilje''. Kako patriJote opstaju u svom tom ''zapadnom'' nasilju?
Lesoto
(Viribus Unitis)
22. новембар 2011. у 03.38
To nije izdaja, odlazak je uzrokovan stanjem u Srbiji, nema ništa loše ukoliko se izvan granica potrazi nešto bolje u materijalnom smislu. Mnogi su bili prinudjeni na takav korak. Stanje nacionalne svesti je već nešto sasvim drugo, ne kupuje se i ne prodaje se, dakle, nacionalna svest nema nikakve veze sa materijalnim stanjem ali kod vas pojedinih izgleda da ipak ima sto najviše govori o vama.
Lesoto
(Viribus Unitis)
22. новембар 2011. у 03.53
I još samo da dodam, tvoje teme i tvoji komentari ipak daju jednu sliku tvog karaktera i mogu da ti kažem da si sasvim blizu da se kandidujes za laskavu titulu „Najjjjljigavcaaaaa Godineeeeee”, rame uz rame sa Santom, Irancem i Siebanim.
And the winner is...
Videcemo uskoro. Pobednik dobija prestiznu nagradu „Ivica Dlacic”.
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22. новембар 2011. у 07.15
Za @ Lesoto

Za razliku od tebe koja ovde izigravas Ajnstajna i pravis se pametna ja sam ovde cisto iz zahebancije a kad nemam pametnija posla.
Ne znam ko su ti ovi ostali ali ja uzivamnarocito u TVOJIM budalastinama.

Lesoto
(Viribus Unitis)
22. новембар 2011. у 07.32
Zašto bih se pravila jer ja to jesam, nije sramota biti pametan, dapace. Suludo je glupom objašnjavati jer je intelektualna barijera prevelika pa nešto bas ne bih da trosim reci.
Ostali? Oni su svi ja i ja sam oni, zajedno smo mi, okupljeni oko onog sto ti i tebi slični nikad necete imati.
Uzivaj u citanju. Bude još lekcija iz patriotizma. Kad bude vremena.
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Mrva79
22. новембар 2011. у 10.54
Hahahahaha...ahahahahaha...sve intelektualka do intelektualke na SC. Ahahahahaha...hahahaha...ne mogu da se zaustavim.
Hahahahaha...hahahahaaaaaa...
Turmalin
(tragach)
22. новембар 2011. у 12.58
Zbog toga sto je stalno neka kriza, nema opustanja;
Zbog toga što se ljudi dovijaju kako da rastegnu od plate do plate;
Zbog toga sto je sistem vrijednosti poremecen - što se postenim radom ne može zivjeti dobro i opusteno;
Zbog nasilja na svakom koraku - na TV, u bioskopima, na ulici, u video igrama.
Zbog opsteg nezadovoljstva ljudim sebi samima i svim oko sebe;
Seeb-M
(%)
22. новембар 2011. у 13.26
Lesoto
„To nije izdaja, odlazak je uzrokovan stanjem u Srbiji, nema ništa loše ukoliko se izvan granica potrazi nešto bolje u materijalnom smislu.”
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Pa to je gore od izdaje.
Slično kao kad nekog koga stalno uvjeravas na vjernost pri ozbiljnoj bolesti i nemoci jednostvano napustis!?
Napustis kad si kao patriota najpotrebnija!!
I odes negdje na zapad i izgradjujes neku tudju državu, a svojoj sa sigurnog odstojanja saljes tople pozdrave?!

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MillyV
22. новембар 2011. у 16.18
Jedino je steta što ne mogu svi da odu...a poslednji da ugasi svetlo.
Ova imbecilna prica o patriotizmu na moj racun...ko se uopste još prima na to.
'Ajde bre odsetaj sa tim glupostima.
Pozdravili te 1389, Nasi i sve druge fasisticke organizacije na celu sa navijacima.
Lesoto
(Viribus Unitis)
22. новембар 2011. у 17.03
Ova imbecilna prica o patriotizmu na moj racun
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Na tvoj racun? Pa ti se prvi put javljas na ovoj temi.
Lesoto
(Viribus Unitis)
22. новембар 2011. у 17.10
Bruka teza od samara. Haha!
KaiserSoze
(Гибаничар)
23. новембар 2011. у 11.30
Заборавио/ла да се „прелогује”... :)
Lesoto
(Viribus Unitis)
23. новембар 2011. у 14.28
Da. Hahah!
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