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jedna_ana
29. август 2010. у 21.59
Kako medalja uvek ima dve strane, za one koje zanima, uporedo sa piskaranjima Svetlostivastoka - Rusija danas: zalostan prokaza onoga što se svakodnevno tamo desava običnim ljudima - 'Death Of A Nation':
http://www.documentarystream.com/death-of-a-nation-russia-after-the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/
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struktura
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29. август 2010. у 22.09
Zalosno.
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Iranac
29. август 2010. у 22.40
Што се бре толико оптерећујете Русијом!? Па... неко је воли, неко је не воли, боже мој.
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Vagabundo_
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29. август 2010. у 22.53
Izgleda da je ovde Svetlostivastoka penicillin za pojedine:))
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struktura
(Bene Gesserit)
29. август 2010. у 22.57
Je l' taj Svetlost pisao stogod o Cernobilu?
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SvetlostVostoka
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29. август 2010. у 23.01
„Ten Myths about Russia's Demography
Anatoly Karlin
By Anatoly Karlin
This publication tries to debunk some popular, but misguided, views on demographic trends in today's Russia. These consist of the perception that Russia is in a demographic ”death spiral„ that dooms it to national decline (Biden, Eberstadt, NIC, CIA, Stratfor, etc). Some extreme pessimists even predict that ethnic Russians - ravaged by AIDS, infertility and alcoholism - will die out as an ethnicity, displaced by Islamist hordes and Chinese settlers (Steyn, Collard).
The Myth of Russia's Demographic Apocalypse
Think again. While it is true that Russia's current demographic situation is nothing to write home about, most of the demographic trends that matter are highly positive - and there is compelling evidence that Russia can still return to a healthy, longterm pattern of sustainable population replacement.
1. MYTH: Russia is losing 750,000 of its population per year and will become depopulated within decades.
REALITY: In 1992, for the first time since the Great Patriotic War, deaths exceeded births in Russia, forming the so-called ”Russian Cross„. Since then the population fell from 149mn to 142mn souls. However, the rate of depopulation has slowed massively in recent years.
As of 2008, there were 362,000 more deaths than births in Russia, down from 847,000 in 2005. Furthermore, adding in migration would give a total population loss of just 105,000 people in 2008, equivalent to -0.07% of the population, which is a massive improvement from the 721,000 fall in 2005. The situation continued improving in 2009, despite the economic crisis, with Russia seeing positive natural increase in August and September for the first time in 15 years.
Though this is still far from demographic salubrity, the situation today more resembles the stagnation seen in Central Europe than the catastrophic collapse of the transition era, and the trends remain positive. As such, pessimistic predictions of imminent demographic apocalypse are becoming increasingly untenable.
2. MYTH: Granted, Russia's crude birth rates have risen in recent years. But this was all due to the big size of the 1980's female cohort, which reached childbearing age in the 2000's; since the 1990's cohort is about 40% smaller, birth rates will tumble again.”
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SvetlostVostoka
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29. август 2010. у 23.02
„REALITY: From 1999-2007, only 37% of the increase in the crude birth rate was due to an increase in the size of the childbearing age segment of the population (only 10% in 2007 itself). The rest came from an increase in the total fertility rate (TFR), the average number of children a woman can be expected to have over a lifetime, irrespective of the structure of the age pyramid.
Speaking of which, Russia's TFR has risen from a nadir of 1.16 children per women in 1999, to 1.49 children in 2008 (and thus also breaking the ”lowest-low„ fertility hypothesis that states that no society has ever recovered from a fertility collapse to below 1.30 children). The figures for 2009 will almost certainly show a TFR above 1.50.
This is not to say that the coming reduction in the fertility contribution of the 1980's ”youth bulge„ will not exert a growing downwards pressure on Russian birth rates in the next two decades. However, a growing TFR will be able to partially, or even fully, counteract these adverse trends.
3. MYTH: The recent rise in fertility is small and fragile, based on the temporary effects of new maternity benefits and pro-natality propaganda. It will shatter as soon as the first economic crisis interrupts Russia's petro-fueled swagger.
REALITY: It is true that Russia's current TFR, at 1.5 children per woman, is well below the 2.1 needed for long-term population stability. That said, there are compelling reasons to believe that we seeing an incipient fertility reversal in Russia.
First, fertility expectations today are little different from those of the late Soviet era when the TFR was near replacement level. According to numerous surveys since the early 1990's, Russians consistently say they want to have an average of 2.5 children. This is broadly similar to respondents from the British Isles, France and Scandinavia, who have relatively healthy TFR's of around 1.7-2.1. This suggests Russia's post-Soviet fertility collapse was caused by ”transition shock„ rather than a ”values realignment„ to middle-European norms, where people only want 1.7-1.8 children.
Second, a major problem with the TFR is that it ignores the effects of birth timing. A more accurate measure of long-term fertility is the average birth sequence (ABS), which gives the mean order of all newborn children. If in one fine year all women in a previously childless country decide to give birth for some reason, the TFR will soar to an absurdly high level but the ABS will equal exactly one.
In Russia the ABS remained steady at 1.6 children per woman from 1992-2006, little changed from the 1.8 of Soviet times, even though the TFR plummeted well below this number. This indicates that many women were postponing children until they settled into careers and improved their material wellbeing -- a hypothesis attested to by the rising age of mothers at childbirth since 1993. As such, it is not unreasonable to expect a compensatory fertility boom in the 2010's.
Though this may be a false positive if many women remain childless, the 2002 Census indicated that only 6-7% of women did not have any children by the end of their reproductive years. This indicates that childlessness is not in vogue and worries about widespread abortion-induced sterility are overblown.
Third, a new, confident conservatism has recently taken hold in Russian society. After two decades of disillusionment, at the end of 2006 consistently more Russians began to believe the nation was moving in a positive than in a negative direction. The state began to reconstruct an ideological basis for belief in Russia's future, which included the aforementioned maternal benefits and pro-natality campaigns - and contrary to pessimist assertions, the examples of France and Sweden indicate that such efforts tend to be successful at incubating longterm improvements in TFR. Can it really be the case that the genesis of Russia's rediscovery of belief in itself, and of consistent improvements in its demography, were a matter of mere coincidence?
Fourth, the cohort now entering the workforce will probably enjoy greater job opportunities and higher wages because of the imminent shrinking of Russia's labor force. This may provide incentives to marry earlier and have more children, which would compensate for this cohort's smaller size. Nor are they likely to be subjected to taxes high enough to discourage family formation; relative to continental Europe, Russia is still a younger nation and can be expected to enjoy high energy revenues in the post-peak oil age.”
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SvetlostVostoka
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29. август 2010. у 23.03
„Finally, the economic crisis has come and gone - and in stark contrast to popular predictions of a renewed fertility collapse and higher deaths from alcoholism (which I challenged in the face of heavy opposition), Russia saw its first two months of natural population growth for the last 15 years in August and September 2009. So the notion that Russia's demographic recovery is built on quicksand has been objectively refuted.
4. MYTH: Russia's main demographic problem is not the fertility rate, but a dismally low life expectancy, especially for middle-aged men.
REALITY: It is true that Russia's life expectancy is exceptionally bad by industrialized-world standards. Death rates for middle-aged men today are, amazingly, no different from those of late Tsarism -- a phenomenon Nicholas Eberstadt termed ”hypermortality„. This tragic development is almost entirely attributable to the extreme prevalence of binge drinking of hard spirits, which accounts for 32% of Russia's aggregate mortality (compared to 1-4% in West European nations)
However, not all demographic indicators are created equal. High mortality rates only have a direct impact on the replacement-level TFR when significant numbers of women die before or during childbearing age, as in Third World countries. Russia's infant mortality rate of 8.5 / 1000 in 2008 is close to developed-country levels and not statistically significant. Though tragic and unnecessary, its ”hypermortality„ crisis mainly affects older men and as such has negligible direct effects on fertility.
That said, mortality rates must be curbed if Russia is to avoid significant population decline in the coming decades. Contrary to prevailing opinion, plans to raise life expectancy to 75 years by 2020 or 2025 are feasible if approached seriously. From 1970-1995 in Finnish Karelia, better healthcare and lifestyle reforms reduced incidences of heart disease, Russia's main cause of death, by over 70%. Considering the sheer size of the gap between Russia and the advanced industrial world, even modest improvements will have a big impact.
These modest improvements are now coming about. Russia is now installing new equipment in oncology centers, aims to increase access to hi-tech medical services from 25% to 80% by 2012, and is becoming more serious about implementing anti-smoking, anti-alcohol and safety measures. In 2008, Russia's life expectancy, as well as deaths from accidents (including alcohol poisoning, violence, and suicide), have improved past the (pre-transition) levels of 1992 - and the recovery continues into 2009.
5. MYTH: There is an unrivaled panoply of social ills in Russia, such as sky-high rates of abortion, alcoholism and accidents. These will induce Russians to disinvest in the future, which will result in low economic growth and a perpetuation of its death spiral into oblivion.”
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SvetlostVostoka
(Venceremos)
29. август 2010. у 23.04
„REALITY: Quite apart from this being a ”mystical„ explanation for national decline, and hence unscientific, this assertion is not backed up by the historical record. All these social ills first manifested themselves in the USSR from around 1965 (accompanied by sky-rocketing male mortality rates), yet nonetheless, that did not preclude Russia from maintaining a near replacement level TFR until the Soviet Union's dissolution - and ultimately, that is all that matters for maintaining longterm population stability.
The Russian abortion rate was nearly twice as high during the Soviet period relative to today, but today's prevalent fears of widespread infertility as a byproduct somehow never materialized - the 2002 Census indicated that only 6-7% of women did not have any children by the end of their reproductive years. Today, abortions continue on their longterm decline, even in the aftermath of the late-2008 economic crisis (and despite the hysterical predictions to the contrary).
Similarly, excessive alcohol consumption - the major cause of ”hypermortality„ amongst middle-aged Russian men - set in long before the post-Soviet demographic collapse. (Observe how closely Russia's historical mortality trends correlate to Nemtsov's estimates of alcohol consumption in the graph below). Yet as mentioned above, high middle-aged male mortality rates have no direct impact on fertility rates. Furthermore, since there is no major discrepancy between the numbers of men and women until the age of 40, women have no physical problem in finding mates (though it is true that high mortality and alcoholism amongst males has a suppressing effect on new couple formation, the late Soviet experience suggests that it does not altogether preclude a healthy TFR).
The demographer Eberstadt asserts that Russia's high mortality rates preclude human capital formation through education because men facing elevated mortality risks (supposedly) discount its future value; consequently, this dims the prospects for longterm economic growth. This hypothesis doesn't stand up to the evidence. The late Soviet Union had one of the world's highest tertiary enrollment rates, and more than 70% of today's Russians get a higher education. This should not be surprising due to human psychological factors - ”deaths from heart disease and accidents only happen to other people„; and besides, even if a Russian man assumes he'll die in his 50's or 60's, he'd still rather live comfortably, avoid the military draft, etc, than sweep the streets. So this argument is flawed on many, many levels.
It is true that poor health lowers economic productivity. However, one should note the caveats that 1) hypermortality disproportionately effects poorer, lower-educated people, 2) in the post-agrarian society, the main driver of productivity improvements is education - not health, and 3) there is a silver lining in that by curbing aging, a low life expectancy also relieves pressure on pensions. Finally, drunkenness by itself cannot check the growth of a vital civilization -- after all, America was known as the Alcoholic Republic during the early 19th century.”
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jedna_ana
29. август 2010. у 23.04
Naravno da nije n i k a d a ništa pisao o Cernobilu. Za njega je to tabu tema.
Ali je zato ve vise puta ovde odvalio ordinarnu glupost: da je sva hrana u Rusiji organska. Odlično samo on neka kupuje i konzerve i voce i povrce i meso u radnjama i na pijaci a da ne proverava poreklo proizvoda. Neka mu se od silne egzaltiranosti prema majcici Rusiji desi ono sto ga i sleduje - teska bolest/trovanje.
'Ben ti, dok sam živela tamo, nosila sam sa sobom rokovnik sa listom proizvodjackih mesta iz kojih se ne sme kupovati hrana ako hoću da moja porodica i ja ostanemo zdravi.
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SvetlostVostoka
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29. август 2010. у 23.05
„6. MYTH: The ruling elite's criminal neglect of Russia's growing AIDS crisis will soon result in hundreds of thousands of annual deaths, further accelerating its demographic collapse.
REALITY: Institutions like the World Bank were predicting hundreds of thousands of deaths by 2010, yet the death toll for 2008 was only 12,800. Further, the percentage of pregnant women testing HIV positive plateaued in 2002, suggesting the epidemic remains essentially contained among injecting drug users.
The problem with the ”doomer„ models used to predict apocalypse (Eberstadt, NIC, Ruhl et al, etc) is that their projections of imminent mass deaths from AIDS unrealistically assume heterosexual, sub-Saharan Africa transmission patterns, which is unbacked by sociological analysis or surveillance data. A more rigorous model by the Knowledge for Action in HIV/AIDS in Russia research program predicts a peak HIV prevalence rate of under 1% of the total Russian population by around 2020. Thus far, it correlates with reality.
Finally, following a period of real neglect of the problem until 2005, the Russian state has since ramped up spending on AIDS to an annual 0.5bn $. One can no longer speak of official negligence.
7. MYTH: Faster-breeding Muslims will constitute the majority of the Russian Federation's citizens by 2050, placing the dwindling Orthodox Russians under a brutal dhimmitude.
REALITY: Ethnic Russians still make up nearly 80% of the population, whereas only 4-6% of the population consider themselves to be Muslim in opinion polls. The fertility rates of the biggest Muslim ethnicities, Tatars and Bashkirs, is little different from the national average.
Even the Caucasian Muslim republics experienced a drastic fertility transition in the last twenty years, as a result of which the only one to still have an above-replacement level TFR is Chechnya. However, Chechnya's 1.2mn people constitute less than 1% of the Russian total.
So the fact of the matter is that Russian Muslims simply do not have the demographic base to become anywhere near the Federation's majority ethnicity in the foreseeable future.
Furthermore, the main reason some people fear - or relish - the prospect of an Islamic Russia is because they associate Russian Muslims with their less progressive co-religionists in the Middle East. In reality, vodka has long since dissolved away the Koran in Russia. The vast majority of Muslim Russians are loyal citizens, having made their peace with the imperial Russian state long ago; imminent dhimmitude is a myth, the product of fevered imaginations.
8. MYTH: The Chinese are taking over the depopulating Russian Far East by a stealth demographic invasion; tempted by Siberian Lebensraum and vast mineral riches, they will eventually seize it outright from a weakening Russia.
REALITY: There are no more than 0.4-0.5mn Chinese in Russia (and probably a good deal less). The vast majority of them are temporary workers and seasonal traders who have no long-term plans of settling in Russia. Even though the Russia Far East depopulated much faster than the rest of Russia after the Soviet collapse, at more than 6mn today, Russian citizens remain ethnically dominant.”
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SvetlostVostoka
(Venceremos)
29. август 2010. у 23.05
„Furthermore, the average Manchurian has no objective desire to migrate to Siberia and squat illegally in a pre-industrial farm in a God-forsaken corner of the taiga. Alarmism on this issue is a trifecta of ignorance, Russophobia, and Sinophobia (the ”Yellow Peril„).
Though the possibility that Malthusian pressures will eventually force China into aggressive expansionism cannot be discounted, it would be suicidal to intrude on Russia because of its vast nuclear arsenal.
9. MYTH: But all the demographic models indicate that Russia is going to depopulate rapidly!
REALITY: Not all of them. I give an alternate range of scenarios that see Russia's population change from today's 142mn, to 139mn-154mn by 2025, and 119mn-168mn (medium -- 157mn) souls by 2050.
In the ”Medium„ scenario, life expectancy reaches 74 years by 2025 (today's Poland) and 81 years in 2050 (today's Canada); the TFR rises from 1.4 children per woman in 2006 to 2.0 by 2015, before gently descending to 1.7 from 2025 to 2050; and there is an annual influx of 300,000 net migrants. (These assumptions are plausible, based on a realistic knowledge of the current situation (see above), and a modest amount of confidence in Russia's spiritual regeneration and capability to sustain economic modernization). The resulting population dynamics are reproduced below.
But even assuming Russia's TFR gets stuck at 1.5 children per woman in 2010 - i.e. slightly lower than its level today, while retaining the aforementioned mortality and migration trajectories, the population size will remain basically stagnant, going from 142mn to 143mn by 2023 before slowly slipping down to 138mn by 2050.
On the basis of this model, I made several falsifiable predictions back in July 2008, whose fulfillment will confirm its validity (or not). The three most important predictions are the following:
•Russia's population will start growing again by 2010.
•Natural population increase will resume by 2013.
•Total life expectancy will exceed 70 years by 2012.
My results are somewhat similar to Rosstat forecasts which see the population growing to 134mn-145mn (medium -- 140mn) by 2025. Furthermore, both of them are, at least thus far, more in line with reality than the older ”doomer„ models, which by and large failed to predict the recent demographic improvements.”
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SvetlostVostoka
(Venceremos)
29. август 2010. у 23.06
„10. MYTH: Okay then, the vast majority of models by respectable institutions - i.e., not those of Kremlin mouthpieces like Rosstat or yourself - project that Russia's population is going to plummet to 100mn or so people by 2050.
REALITY: First, appeal to authority & association fallacy. Second, you can check the reliability of my model because my source code is open and accessible for all, which is more than you can say for many of these ”respectable institutions„. Third, the problem with the aforementioned ”doomer„ models is that they are all essentially based on linearly extrapolating Russia's post-Soviet fertility and mortality situation into the far future, assuming negligible improvements or even a deterioration (as in the models including the imminent, but fortunately non-existent, African-style AIDS epidemic).
It is my belief that Russia's demographic ”doomers„ ignore the importance of the post-Soviet resilience of Russia's fertility expectations, the evidence that Russia's post-Soviet demographic collapse was just an aberration caused by its wrenching transition to a new socio-political system, and the newly-emerging sociological trends that are returning Russia's to its past-and-future Empire - trends that are restoring Russians' faith in the future, reinforcing social conservatism, and creating the conditions, with the Kremlin's active support, for a major demographic reversal out of the post-Soviet abyss.
I would be the first to admit that this interpretation of Russian society may be incorrect, and consequently so are my ”optimistic„ demographic projections. Feel free to disagree with my interpretation, but do note that 1) I accurately called the economic crisis as a non-event in relation to Russia's demography and 2) made falsifiable, near-term predictions about Russia's future demography, which few other crystal-ball gazers care to do.
Speaking of crystal balls, I would like to end this by noting that pretty much all demographic projections beyond 20 years into the future - the approximate time needed for a new cohort to reach reproductive age - are near-useless in practical terms. Any simplistic extrapolation will eventually founder on the discontinuities inevitably produced by complex human systems: for a past example, compare 20th century French and German demographic history; regarding the future, note the profoundly disruptive potential of two strong concurrent trends - limits to growth, and technological singularity - either of which could so radically transform human life in the 21st century, as to render modern demographic analysis meaningless as a scientific tool.
Anatoly Karlin is an independent blogger who writes about Russia, geopolitics, and global trends at his blog Sublime Oblivion. He is currently working on a book about the ”future history„ of the 21st century.”
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jedna_ana
29. август 2010. у 23.09
Vagabundo_((bas_tako)) 29. avgust 2010. u 22.53
Izgleda da je ovde Svetlostivastoka penicillin za pojedine:))
Khm... sudeci bo broju njegovih postova u samo nekoliko minuta na ovoj temi, biće da je situacija obratna.;)
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Jesam li te pogodila prstom u oko, a svetleci? :)
Nis' se ne brini, ovo je tek početak. :)
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jedna_ana
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jedna_ana
29. август 2010. у 23.17
Ovo mi se najviše dopada na početku tvog prvog posta, svetleci:
'This publication -->tries<-- to debunk
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Povratak_otpisanih
(KK)
30. август 2010. у 00.31
Ovaj video materijal je zesca propaganda, vidi se iz aviona. Ih, mnogo teško zapadnoj oligarhiji da ocrne bilo koga na ovom svetu ko im je trn u oku, pa za to su primarijusi. A vala imaju i milionsku publiku kuci, sve ovakvi ko sto je jedna ana koji se primaju čim vide natpis „dokumentarno”, hehehhee.
E ana, evo ja ću da izadjem sad ovaj vikend sa kamerom i snimacu Vankuver. Ali tako da iz sve snage namerno gledam da to bude nešto najgore sto može da se vidi i cuje u Vankuveru. Eto, napravicu jednu reportazicu, oćeš da gledaš? Mislim da će ti to biti nešto najgore sto si ikada u svom zivotu videla.
Pazi, ja Vankuver obozavam i ne bih ga menjala ni za šta na ovom belom svetu. Ali sto jes jes, onaj ko hoće i kome je to u interesu, može uz pomoć kamere da ga predstavi kao sami pakao od grada, jer svugde imaš sve i svasta, i ljudi svakakvih, od kompletnih idiota do samih andjela, i multi multi milionera i beskucnika koji u kontejnerima spavaju(eno bas juče nekog nesrecnika pokupio garbage truck sa sve kontejnerom i sve mu koske slomljene kad je sa sve djubretom upao u kamion).
U stvari, trebalo bi da ima na you tube, odoh da potražim. Hoću da kažem, ceo ovaj svet može biti jedna najobičnija rupa, sa nemoralom i korupcijom do guse, ako neko tako i samo tako hoće da gleda. A i obrnuto.
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S_r_n_a_
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30. август 2010. у 00.38
Nemoj tako Povratak Otpisanih, mis'm ipak su ovo fakti koje iznosi kredibilna organizacija WHO. ;-)
Sjetite se WHO i H1N1.
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30. август 2010. у 00.43
Kaka, zajedno sa medicinskom sestrom sa floride koja je capila Engleza pa otisla za Englesku, razlika između vas dve i mene je u tome sto ste vas dve, eventualno (u šta lično sumnjam) bile turisticki u Rusiji a ja sam tamo živela, te jako dobro mogu da razlucim prilikom izbora dokumentarnog materijala koji ću ovde postirati zito od kukolja.
Elem, kad svetleci prestane da laje na zvezde o apsolutnoj (aka fasistickoj) superiornosti Rusije i spusti se na zemlju predstavljajuci je sa svim njenim manama podjednako kao vrlinama, onda ću i ja prestati ovde da postiram price sa druge strane medalje.
kaka i medicinska sestro sa Floride, ne dao vam Bog ni jednoj ni drugoj niti bilo kome od vasih najblizih da ikada u zivotu zaglavite u nekoj od moskovskih bolnica, čak ni na ambulantskom pregledu.
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Povratak_otpisanih
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30. август 2010. у 00.46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R9eDdq6CE&NR=1
a ja ću ti naći još grozomornije scene, neće biti lako ali dosta sam ja proplakala za ovo prokleto covecanstvo, JA PLACEM ZBOG LJUDI!!!!
Samo da muž pristane da ide sa mnom, zaista ne smem sama tamo.
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30. август 2010. у 00.51
a ja ću ti naći još grozomornije scene, neće biti lako ali dosta sam ja proplakala za ovo prokleto covecanstvo, JA PLACEM ZBOG LJUDI!!!!
Samo da muž pristane da ide sa mnom, zaista ne smem sama tamo.
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What is your point, kaka?
Kako može jedna kaka da place zbog ljudi? ;)
kad ne smes da ides tamo, onda nemoj ovde da se kurcis. Idi u cosak i smrdi tamo, za promenu. Sigurna sam da će svetleci zbog toga piskiti firnajs.;)
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S_r_n_a_
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30. август 2010. у 00.56
onda ću i ja prestati ovde da postiram price sa druge strane medalje. <<
Nisu ovo price sa druge strane medalje, već koristis uboge zivote ove djecice da zadovoljis svoju pokvarenu dusu.
Gledam gore iz hira postavljas Cernobilsku katastrofu?!
Odakle ti pravo da potezes nečije sudbine zarad sopstvenog likovanja, lujko nevidjena?
Zašto ne pišes o gradovima Hirosima i Nagasaki gdje je neko IZ HIRA usmrtio milione?!
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PrincipSD
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30. август 2010. у 00.59
„kaka i medicinska sestro sa Floride, ne dao vam Bog ni jednoj ni drugoj niti bilo kome od vasih najblizih da ikada u zivotu zaglavite u nekoj od moskovskih bolnica, čak ni na ambulantskom pregledu.”
Е Ана, сад си га стварно прекрдашила. Ја сам сав за отворену и конструктивну дискусију, али ово што ти пишеш је апсурд. Па Русија има један од најбољих система љекарске заштите.
Ево, ја сам лично „заглавио” у једној од Московских болница, и види чуда големога, још сам мећу живима!
Требала ми је хитно њега специјалисте, и дошао сам до њега у року од пола сата. На истог би у Канади чекао до 6 мјесеци! Наравно, пошто је ствар била ургентна, ишао бих у хитну помоћ, гдје би ме накљукали антибиотицима. А видиш у Москви ми нису жељели дати никакав антибиотик, већ су све санирали природним путем и благим антибактеријским кремама.
Ти си изгледа живјела у Москви, као што сам ја живио у Тунгузији!
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jedna_ana
30. август 2010. у 01.01
E, medicinska sestro rodom iz Banje Luke, a da ti nisi promasila topik? ;)
Na ovom topiku je reč o onome sto obični ljudi u Rusiji svakodnevno dozivljavaju, uglavnom kao posledicu terora novih mafijaskih ruskih biznismena (obrati paznju na vojsku u helikopter koji proteruje ljude iz njihovih kuca jer mafijas hoće tamo da naprvi terene za golf) i o jadnicima koji su HIV pozitivni a rusku državu, koja zgrce milione na gasu i nafti boli djoka i neće da izdvoje sredstva za njihovo lecenje.
Da reč je i o deci koja se defektna radjaju u Rusiji a kao posledica Cernobila i ostalih zagadjenja, sto kroz hranu, sto kroz vodu,to kroz vazduh u toj istoj Rusiji.
Jesi li nekada videla smeđu vodu kako curi iz cesme? Nisi? E vidis ja jesam i to u sred Moskve.
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30. август 2010. у 01.03
PrincipSD, blago tebi, imao si sreće. Zapali svecu za to.
However, nisu svi Rusi u Rusiji te sreće koje si bio ti kao stranac.
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Povratak_otpisanih
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30. август 2010. у 01.09
Ja nikome neću da protivurecim propagandom jedna ana, nego onako kako je realno, bar iz mog ugla realno, a trudim se da budem objektivna sto je vise moguće. A i pojma nemam kako je u Rusiji i kako god da je ja tamo ne živim niti ću ikada živeti, možda čak ni posetiti. Ali da mi se predstavlja Rusija ovako kako si ti uradila, pa još i kad vidim od koga je rezirano, ma idi bre! Pa da naravno, ovo je samo početak, Rusija će sve vise i vise biti nacisticka, opresivna, korumpirana, bolesna(a pazi ovo - BOLESNI TAMO SKORO SVI - hahahhaha, hoće da kažu da u Rusiju pod hitno treba poslati vojsku „lekara bez granica”, da ih „lece” :)))), tako to ide. Već vidjeno.
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30. август 2010. у 01.14
kaka, s obzirom da nikada do sada nisi bili, niti hoćeš da ides u Rusiju, odakle ti kredibilitet da na ovoj temi raspravljas?
Ili si dotrcala ovde samo zato što kad god vidis svetleceg, ti se upiskis u gacice ispred kompa?
kako može neko, ko pojma nema u situaciji u jednoj zemlji uopste da komentarise bilo šta?! Odakle ti moralno pravo da tako nešto radis?
Na osnovu insinuacija? na osnovu manipulacija? Na osnovu laži koja ti je usadjena pod kozu? Možda. Ali to je ovde tvoja već dobro poznata karakteristika. Uostalom, nisu te slučajnio drugi diskutanti okarakterisali kao 'kaku'.:)
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S_r_n_a_
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30. август 2010. у 01.16
Ova luda skroz naskroz.
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PrincipSD
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30. август 2010. у 01.18
Ана,
50 милиона Американаца, ако не и више, нема никакву здрастврену заштиту!
Незнам колико је милиона Американаца обољелих од ХИВ-а! Такође без икакве његе.
О чему ти причаш, можда неком можеш мутити лажи, неком ко незна ништа о животу у РФ. Нама који смо тамо или живјели, или веома често посјећивали, или који смо још, дан данас у скоро свакодневном контакту са људима који су доле - не врједи да трошиш своје врјеме. Није све доле идилично и савршено, далеко од тога, али дај покажи ми ту земљу гдје јесте!
Занима ме, у којем си граду у Русији живјела, и које је године то било?
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30. август 2010. у 01.19
Ah, evo je i ona druga što se upiski u gace ispred kompa kad ugleda svetleceg.
Ma, kad muž sazna, biće ludila - ali engleskog. :)
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Povratak_otpisanih
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30. август 2010. у 01.21
Odo da spavam, sutra nastavljavamo sa svadjom :P
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30. август 2010. у 01.22
PrincipSD, na ovom topiku nije reč o Americi, nego je reč o Rusiji. Eno ti izdvojena tema, ako hoćeš da pricas o tome koliko zdravstvo u Americi ne valja. :)
Uredjenje Amerike je drugacije od uredjenja Rusije, pa je i o tome deplasirano na ovom topiku govoriti jer bi to bilo njaobičnije mlacenje prazne slame.
Moj privatni zivot te se apsolutno ne tiče. Svetleci, čiji komentari su i bili povod da ovo postiram, jako dobro zna da ja jako dobro znam o cemu pricam.(period)
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30. август 2010. у 01.32
kako, od sada na ovoj temi ignorisem svaki tvoj post; sv dok ne odgledas dokumentarac od početka do kraja i ne budes znala svaki i jedini detalj iz njega. (period)
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PrincipSD
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30. август 2010. у 01.36
Видиш Ана, грјешиш. И те како има везе са САД-ом. Јер, ако пљујеш по једној земљи, или по неким њеним аспектима, онда је реално да се упореди та земља са неком јој сличној. Америка ми је прва пала на памет, а и најјбоље су за поређење.
Ти црни Руско здравство, ја ћу ти задавати питања, по поводу Америчког. Можемо до Нове године, само ја немам јако много слободног времена.
Твој лични живот ме се апсолутно не тиче, ту си сасвим у праву, нити ме он занима. Написала си да си живјела у РФ, па сам те питао у којем мјесту и које године, што на самом дјелу није мјешање у твој лични живот. Моје је мишљење да ти тамо ногом крочила ниси, а камоли да си проживјела неко врјеме.
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Povratak_otpisanih
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30. август 2010. у 02.24
vidi je kako mi ne da da spavam... ma odgledala sam ti taj video zenska glavo i zato sam se i javila! Na svaki detalj sam dobro obratila paznju jer mi je od samog početka(ukljucujuci i naslov, cuj cuj - Death of a nation! - pa ne stvarno, treba covek biti idiot pa da ne vidi da je ovo cista i BEZOBRAZNA propaganda!) od samog početka mi je zasmrdelo. Naročito mi je jedan detalj upao u oci kad neki kobajagi Rus snima kamerom u crkvi, a u kadar odjednom ulece njegova ruka na kojoj se vidi „istetovirano” WHITE POWER! :))))))))
hahahhaa, jooooj Boze!
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struktura
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30. август 2010. у 02.28
:)))
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jedna_ana
30. август 2010. у 08.04
Видиш Ана, грјешиш. И те како има везе са САД-ом. Јер, ако пљујеш по једној земљи, или по неким њеним аспектима, онда је реално да се упореди та земља са неком јој сличној. Америка ми је прва пала на памет, а и најјбоље су за поређење.
- Hoćeš li obrazloziti, molim te, zbog čega je Amerika najbolji primer za poredjenje sa Rusijom? Zato sto ti to tako hoćeš?
Student,kada je to i svojoj istoriji Amerika bila komunisticka zemlja?
Ako hoćeš poredjenja, a da su iole objektivna u smislu poredjenja primera iz slične kategorije, poredi Rusiju sa Kinom, na primer. Ili sa Poljskom, ili sa Ceskom, ili sa Slovackom, ili sa Istocnom Nemackom, ili sa Madjarskom.
„Ти црни Руско здравство, ја ћу ти задавати питања, по поводу Америчког. Можемо до Нове године, само ја немам јако много слободног времена.”
Good point. u svom postu, na koji si replicirao, rekla sam da bi poredjenje Amerike i Rusije bilo jednostavno mlacenje prazne slame.
Uz sve, ne bih se ukljucila u tu diskusiju jer ne živim u Americi pa ne znam stvari iz prve ruke.
Na ostale tvoje natuknice mi ne pada na pamet da repliciram.
Ti slobodno nastavi da klikces: „Nas i Rusa tristo miliJona”. Iz Rusije će ti odgovoriti samo eho tvog glasa.
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jedna_ana
30. август 2010. у 08.16
Naročito mi je jedan detalj upao u oci kad neki kobajagi Rus snima kamerom u crkvi, a u kadar odjednom ulece njegova ruka na kojoj se vidi „istetovirano” WHITE POWER! :))))))))
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Može da bude namesteno, a i ne mora da bidne. Slučajno (ma da li bas slučajno?) u svojoj licnoj biblioteci imam recnik zatvorskog slenga i tetovaza koji sam kupila na jednom velikom sajmu knjiga u St.Petersburgu. Zanimljivo, i tamo su, od strane ruskih autora, u knjizi stampanoj u Moskvi, objavljene tetovaže na engleskom.
Nije mi jasno odakle to kod Rusa? Hoćeš li nam ti, ekspete, molim te objasniti? ;)
A sad da ja tebe pitam, kaka, šta ti znaš o Kozacima i šta znaš o odnosu između Rusa i Cecena?
Može i istorijski podaci, ako ne znaš detalje iz savremene istorije.
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jedna_ana
30. август 2010. у 11.10
Pošto je Iranac omasio temu, da kopiram njegov post apropo teme na ovom topiku, ovde:
Iranac
30. avgust 2010. u 11.07
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Russian President Vladimir Putin recently directed his nation's parliament to develop a plan to reduce the country's falling birthrate. In a speech to parliament on May 10, 2006, Putin called the problem of Russia's dramatically declining population, „The most acute problem of contemporary Russia.”
The president called on parliament to provide incentives for couples to have a second child to increase the birth rate in order to stop the country's plummeting population.
Russia's population peaked in the early 1990s (at the time of the end of the Soviet Union) with about 148 million people in the country. Today, Russia's population is approximately 143 million. The United States Census Bureau estimates that Russia's population will decline from the current 143 million to a mere 111 million by 2050, a loss of more than 30 million people and a decrease of more than 20%.
The primary causes of Russia's population decrease and loss of about 700,000 to 800,000 citizens each year are a high death rate, low birth rate, high rate of abortions, and a low level of immigration.
High Death Rate
Russia has a very high death rate of 15 deaths per 1000 people per year. This is far higher than the world's average death rate of just under 9. The death rate in the U.S. is 8 per 1000 and for the United Kingdom it's 10 per 1000. Alcohol-related deaths in Russia are very high and alcohol-related emergencies represent the bulk of emergency room visits in the country.
With this high death rate, Russian life expectancy is low - the World Health Organization estimates the life expectancy of Russian men at 59 years while women's life expectancy is considerably better at 72 years. This difference is primarily a result of high rates of alcoholism among males.
Low Birth Rate
Understandably, due these high rates of alcoholism and economic hardship, women feel less than encouraged to have children in Russia.
Russia's total fertility rate is low at 1.3 births per woman. This number represents the number of children each Russian woman has during her lifetime. A replacement total fertility rate to maintain a stable population is 2.1 births per woman. Obviously, with such a low total fertility rate Russian women are contributing to a declining population.
The birth rate in the country is also quite low; the crude birth rate is 10 births per 1000 people. The world average is just over 20 per 1000 and in the U.S. the rate is 14 per 1000.
Abortion
During the Soviet era, abortion was quite common and was utilized as a method of birth control. That technique remains common and quite popular today, keeping the country's birth rate exceptionally low. According to a Russian news source, there are more abortions than births in Russia.
The online news source mosnews.com reported that in 2004 1.6 million women had abortions in Russia while 1.5 million gave birth. In 2003, the BBC reported that Russia had, „13 terminations for every 10 live births.”
Immigration
Additionally, immigration into Russia is low - immigrants are primarily a trickle of ethnic Russians moving out of former republics (but now independent countries) of the Soviet Union. Brain drain and emigration from Russia to Western Europe and other parts of the world is high as native Russians seek to better their economic situation.
Putin himself explored the issues surrounding the low birth rate during his speech, asking „What has prevented a young family, a young woman, from making this decision? The answers are obvious: low incomes, a lack of normal housing, doubts about the level of medical services and quality education. At times, there are doubts about the ability to provide enough food.”
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