Brate, Cerensius,
kao sto vidis gore na početku, nije to moja tame, nego ju je pre godinu dana obajvio brat gogi-swe, a ja sam je samo postirao.

Jehgovini svedoci žele se na sve strane kako ih je progonio Hitler, i to je istina, stradali su, ali za to su sami krivi.
Njihov drugi predsednik, Rutherford najpre je hvalio Hitlera i njegovu vladu, a onda kad mu se nije svidjalo poceo je da ga napada i javno optuzuje i to je dovelo do njihopvog progonstva a nije vera u Jehovu.
Crkva ni ne treba da se mesa u politiku, nego politiku treba da prepusti politicariam, a ona da se bavi propovedanjem Jevandjelja i pomaganjem siromasnima i nevoljnima.

Nnevenka,
hvala ti sto si postirala ovu izjavu.

Pored svih poteskoca kroz koje su prolazili nasi narodu u Evropi za vreme Drugog svetskotg rata, a među njima i adventisti u svim semljama Evrope, ipak je za svaku osudu ono sto su Adventisti učinili u Nemackoj i Austriji.

Iako su Hitlorovom „reformom” mnogi dobri ljudi bili prevareni, a među njima je bio i vladika Velimirovic, ipa eto u tom su se prevarili i Adventisti u Nemackoj.

Glavna Uprava Adventisticke Crkve nikad se nije slozila niti je odobrila stav Adventista u Nemackoj za vreme rata.

I Adventisti u Nemackoj, shvatili su da su pogresili, javno su priznali svoju greško i izvinuli se svetu.

U tome je razlika, Adventisti su dali na znanje javnosti grešku koja je učinjena, a Jehovini svedoci je i danas kriju i brane.

Crkva je dala vise obavestenja i izvinjenja javnosti, a evo i jedne od njih:

IZVINJENJE CRKVE U NEMACKOJ I AUSTRIJI


Church Leaders Say „We're Sorry”
German and Austrian churches apologize for Holocaust actions

BY MARK A. KELLNER, assistant director for news and information of the General Conference Communication Department

oting the sixtieth anniversary of the end of World War II, Seventh-day Adventist church leaders in Germany and Austria have released a declaration saying they „deeply regret” any participation in or support of Nazi activities during the war. The church bodies „honestly confess” a failure „in following our Lord” by not protecting Jews, and others, from that era's genocide, widely known as the Holocaust. Millions of people perished from war atrocities, including more than 6 million Jews who were exterminated in Nazi persecutions during the 12-year period of 1933 to 1945.

The declaration was initially published in the May 2005 issue of AdventEcho, a monthly German-language church magazine, and also will appear in other German publications, said Günther Machel, president of the South German Union Conference and one of three signatories to the statement.

A copy of the statement has been provided to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority in Israel, added Rolf Pöhler, a former North German church area president who is now that region's theological advisor and was involved with the drafting of the declaration.

„We deeply regret that the character of National Socialist dictatorship had not been realized in time and distinctly enough, and the ungodly nature of [Nazi] ideology had not clearly been identified,” the statement, as translated from German, reads. The church says it also regrets „that in some of our publications . . . there were found articles glorifying Adolf Hitler and agreeing with the ideology of anti-Semitism in a way that is unbelievable from today's [perspective].”

Church leaders also expressed regret that „our peoples became associated with racial fanaticism destroying the lives and freedom of 6 million Jews and representatives of minorities in all of Europe” and „that many Seventh-day Adventists did not share the need and suffering of their Jewish fellow-citizens.”

A paramount regret, the statement indicated, was that German and Austrian Adventist congregations „excluded, separated and left [church members who were] . . . of Jewish origin to themselves so that they were delivered to imprisonment, exile or death.”

Under various racial decrees, some Adventist congregations expelled members of Jewish heritage. One, Max-Israel Munk, was placed in two concentration camps by the Nazis and survived and returned to his church after the war. He said he did not wish to act toward his congregation in the way in which he had been treated, according to Daniel Heinz, a church archivist at Friedensau Adventist University who has studied Adventist activities during the National Socialist era.

Along with Machel, the other leaders who signed the statement were Klaus-Juergen van Treeck, North German Union Conference president, and Herbert Brugger, president of the Adventist Church in Austria. Pöhler and Johannes Hartlapp, church historian at Friedensau, drafted the statement on which the declaration is based. All three church geographic areas voted to approve the text, Pöhler said.

In the statement, the three assert that the „obedience we owe to the state authorities does not lead to giving up biblical convictions and values.” They said that while only God can judge the actions of prior generations, „in our day, however, we want to take a decided stand for right and justice-towards all people.”

Brugger, in a telephone interview, said, „Our church members really appreciated the publishing of this document.” No indication of a reaction from Austria's Jewish community has been received, but Brugger said the Adventist Church is not as well known in Austria as some other movements are.

Asked how a church that considers keeping the Sabbath as one of its core beliefs could forsake Jewish Sabbath-keepers during a time of persecution, Brugger suggested that it was political, not theological, considerations that may have led to the strategy.

During World War I a portion of the German Adventist church had split off, opposing any military service. This led the National Socialists in 1936 to ban the so-called „Reform Movement” during their time in power. Brugger said concern over a Nazi closure of the main Adventist churches may have weighed on leaders in that era.

„I think during these times the official leaders of our church were afraid of losing the control over the church and losing the church because the political authorities had already . . . [confused] our church with the Reform movement,” he explained. „I think our leaders were afraid to loše the official recognition of our church, so therefore maybe they were not [as faithful] to our beliefs as would have been necessary.”

The main Seventh-day Adventist church in Germany was also briefly banned under the Nazis, notes Pöhler. A quick reversal by the regime led to relief among Adventists but also to a level of cooperation with the government that was unhealthy.

„We not only kept silent, but we also published things we never should have published. We published anti-Semitic ideas that, from our perspective, weren't really needed,” Pöhler said in a telephone interview.

„We had to realize that one wrong statement, one wrong move by a person meant he could end up in a concentration camp,” Pöhler said of that era. „[That was the] reason why we excluded and disfellowshipped Jewish-born Adventists from our midst: If a local church had not done this, [the Nazis] would have closed the church, taken the elder to prison, and it would have meant the whole church would be forbidden.”

While some European Adventists took courageous stands to protect Jews, others went along in part because of concern for their families and churches. It would be difficult enough for an individual to reach out to a Jewish person, Pöhler explained, but to risk the lives of those in a congregation was an added burden. Such caution was even reflected in the nomenclature used by German Adventists, he said.

Daniel Heinz, director of church archives at the Adventist university in Friedensau, Germany, said his research into the stories of Adventists who helped Jews during the war led to his discovery of those who acted less honorably.
Resistance to Nazi policies, as well as the compassionate yet brave response of many Christians, among them Seventh-day Adventists, to protect lives of those under Nazi persecution, have been documented throughout Europe, including Poland, Hungary, Holland, and Denmark.

„I found some very impressive stories of Adventists who helped Jews in the Third Reich, risking their lives, and I found the opposite,” Heinz said. Among other church members, one Latvian Adventist family took in a Jewish man, hid him during the war, and survived. The refugee became an Adventist believer and church pastor after the war ended.
According to Machel, „Sixty years after World War II is late-but we saw it as the last chance for a declaration.”

Young adult church members reacted positively to the statement's expressions of concern and contrition.

„To humbly reveal our sins and failures is the most important thing God wants us to do,” said Sara Gehler, 25. „And even though 60 years have already passed, I think it was necessary for us as [the Seventh-day Adventist] Church to take a stand on the Second World War.” She added, „It is our duty as Christians to protect and help those who are weak, helpless, and in need.”

Said John Graz, Public Affairs and Religious Liberty director for the Adventist world headquarters, „For those who believe in God's love for every member of the human family, against any kind of discrimination based on race, religion, or gender, this declaration written by a generation which had no responsibility in the Holocaust and the war, but endorse the responsibility of their parents, will stand as a positive landmark and great encouragement.”




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