Diskusije : Istorija

Surbenland (deutschland)
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Serbians were and are the original inhabitants of today’s Germany and Austria until the arrival of the Germanic tribes. A living tombstone to this proof are the Serbs (Sorbs) of Saxony or Lusatian Serbs today sadly number around 90 000 inhabitants.

I think it would be appropriate to start with a statement taken from a German just after the ending of the First World War. Rudolf Klienpaul he explains the hereditary word Deutche and with this in mind he comments: This name something which is noticeable even though it does not stand alone, it has its parallel in the name Serb in which the Slavs living in the Balkan Peninsula are not only called but our Wendy, or Sorbs.

Evidence can be found to uphold this notion in an article written in a daily German newspaper, Suddeutsche Zeitung„ 1977.This article goes to explain 12 000 years of German and Slav co-habitation. The exact article was printed in the same day in the American, Milwaukee Deutche Zeitung” on page 4. Here is a segment of the article as the original is too large to re-write: Spandau, In the South-West and in diesel to the South of the city, a large mount of material has been excavated. Archaeologists Adrian fon Miler the museums curator for pre and early history of the city of Berlin (Beljina(?) in Serbian) and Dr, Kendl working in conjunction combining their experience to produce a brochure in which would show that Berliners were,, seasonal tenants„ 12 000 years ago at the time of the ice age, these people met near the tegulur river in the summer months small groups of 10 to 15 hunters. These two groups had left behind different types of stone and fire tools. In the same place, at about three meters deep, tombs were found; it is thought that these tombs were used in a cold climate for storing meat.

These Two German scientists know very well that the Germans arrived in Europe after the Serbs o. The timing of the arrival shows the motive which is only too transparent.

Another Academic Englishman Colin McEvedy in his atlas of ancient history5 in which he on page 29 ., states: In the region of lower Don across to the river Oder at the time of 1850 B.C was inhabited by the Slavs (Serbs). McEvedy, Dr Leonard and others knew very well that the name Slav was first mentioned 491. A.D

Now how could that be possible? There is a clear intention to separate the Slavs from the Serbs, so a minor miscalculation of time (3800 years) is not of real importance when it comes to separating a race and manipulating and hiding its past!

Sima Lukin Lazin a Serbian historian explains how the Serbs founded countries and lost their fight against Germanic tribes: Thee Serbs in what is now known as Germany had founded upon that land a country called Polapska Serbia which was called Sorabia or Surbia. In the region of Bavaria and the Czech land other Polap-Serbs founded the country of White Serbia, this country was also known as Boyka, taken from a Serbian tribal name. In Prussia the Serbs founded the country of Pomerania. Living at the most Northerly point along the Baltic Sea Serbs founded their country called Baltica Serbia, from this country a large tribe called the Rugians had split and moved further North to an Island which they named Rugia, today the Germans call this region Regan. In time the Rugian Serbs pushed their way into Denmark where they founded Danish Serbia. From Russian documentation it can be seen that the Baltic Serbs, Serbs from White Serbia and Polabian Serbs united in battle where they triumphed upon the lands of Sweden, Holland. Belgium, England, France and Switzerland. The Serbs did not stay in these countries for long as their tracks upon these lands are limited.

There was a vast amount of Serbian tribes upon the mentioned lands to name a few who were at the top of the tribal ladder: Polalbian Serbs, Lusitanian Serbs, Lutitsa (ljutica-Lutych- Lüttich- ”Liege„- Belgium derives it’s name from), Bodritse (Bodrice), Rugians, and Boyki or Boyi (Who lived in Sarmatia and Czech lands) all tribes had the same traditions and language in speech nearly every word was the same within each country. The Serbs lived peacefully and independently, they interfered little in each others affairs. The structure of Governing was based on two systems by voting or birth-right.

It is documented that Serbs of Sarmat -boyki had inherited the title of (Knez) Chieftain, while the Rugian Serbs large and great had emperors with their individual Empire. The Rugians were great warriors and at one time all Serbs accepted their rule.

In this period the Serbs lived peacefully advancing in culture and work. Within the 2nd or 3rd A.D they came into contact with Germanic tribes. As the Germanic tribes were small in number they were accepted and lived in Serbian lands not risking to provoke feuds as foreigners in which for 400 years both races lived in peace.

When the Huns waged war and pushed back Siberian Serbs at the same time the Chinese attacked and chased away the Huns across Asia causing disarray in Euro-Asia tribes of different races. These tribes began to mix as to establish pacts for safety, the Huns moved into Europe through the same route the Siberian Serbs used, to make their way into Central Europe for fear of the Huns ferocity. The Germans collaborated and united with the Serbs and began to force their way through the rivers Sava and Danube in to the Byzantine Empire headed by the Eastern Roman Catholic Church, ruled by Greeks and Byzantines from the capital of Constantinople.

In 378A.D the unification of Serbs and Germans took place. United under the name of Goths- Goths (name was taken from a Serbian tribe called the Getea, where they under a weak Byzantine Empire established a country under the name Goths. The effect was that the Serbs of Germany had pulled back and melted in to the Balkan Serbs weakening their lands in Germany. In the Got-Serbian Country there was a lack of true ethnic German people

As still the large majority were Serbs a reason why the Germans tried to grab on to power causing the first split in German-Slav relations thus the Serbs changed sides and united with their Greek enemy attacking past allies the Germans.

The Huns had seen a chance allied with the Caspian and Khavkazian and taking along other Serbs under the Hun flag. The commander of the Hun warriors was a Serb under the name of Onogost as the Serbs made up the largest percentage of the attacking force, they attacked the Balkan Peninsula. By 449 A.D the Huns with the Serbs were master’s lands between the rivers Sava and Danube. A wing of these same Serbs had split and joined the Dalmatic Serbs While Attila left to attack Rome and Constantinople nearly succeeded in erasing both empires.

The Huns re-joined with the Serbs and pushed into (y)edren outskirts of Constantinople defeating and expelling the German Goths from the Balkan Peninsula. The Serb-Hun warriors had stayed joining the Balkan Serbs as one nation later to allaying with the Greeks and to expel the Huns.

The death of Attila had caused the demise of the Huns as did Attila cause the demise of Rome, Constantinople and German tribes which gave rise to the first South Serbian Dynasty in the Balkans headed by a SAMOVLAD or SVEVLAD the 1st who came from Great Serbia. Svevlad wisely used the weak positions of Rome and Constantinople to establish a country spread across the Balkans, rila, Macedonia, old Serbia, Albania to through the whole length of the Adriatic Sea into istar and Triest. Svevlad I. died in 530 A.D. Svevlad son Borivoje (Boriwoy) Svevladovic succeeded the throne and further expanded the country which was the cause of Italian-German alliance.

Svevlad the 1st was first Serbian king to rule Germany, his country spread from the Baltics to the Balkans.

Until the late eleventh century, although the Germans controlled most of the Serbian territory, they were practically unable to colonise conquered lands, simply due to low population in Saxony and Thuringia there had always been much lower population than in the western lands, not significantly higher than across the Elbe-Sal. In the north that is in the Obodrite and Venetia lands Germanic political control was not fully established before the middle of the twelfth century

A similar large scale and organised colonisation took place in Brandenburgia, after Albrecht the Bear took full control of the region in 1157. He brought there a large number of Hollanders, Zealanders and Flemish peasants. This migration is still reflected in the name Fleming, an area of Brandenburgia.

However, in Mecklenburg and Western Pomerania it was another story. Both were defeated by the Saxon duke Henry the Lion, but neither was conquered As a result of 1166 agreement between the Saxon dukes, the Obodrite prince Przybysaw and the Pomeranian princes, both principalities became Saxon vassals. As a part of the deal, Przybys aw's son, Boriwoj (Borivoje) married Matilda, an illegitimate daughter of Henry the Lion. Soon both principalities became duchies of the Empire. So, the Slavic population there was treated as were other imperial subjects. There were no evictions there and local princes and nobility remained in charge of local affairs. Consequently, the slow stream of colonists from Saxony and Flanders settled on vacant land next to the Slavs.

A legal document from 1293, from the abbey of Nienburg in Anhalt region, is witness to Germanization process in progress, and being already half way through. It abolishes the use of Serbian language in local court, apparently because it is not well understood by the local peasants, who by the same document are still recognised as a Serbs. Other numerous East German law codes mention people legally subject to local German or Wendish (Serbic) laws, but also, many people of mixed origin or German speaking Serbs who obtained a German law…

The inheritors of the Roman Empire but not the pagan, antiquity or culture of its history and civilisations which begun from them. Europe disregarded pre-history sciences of Aristotle, Ptolemy, Prika, the new imperia first and foremost placed upon its throne.

Germens like the Latin’s, in regards to ancient European and Etruscan heritage, needed to cement their European origins, so they planted the seeds for the growth of the Indo-German theory, to establish THE GERMAN-EUROPEAN ancient beginnings as the original inhibitors of ancient European Slav lands and push aside the Serbs as barbarian squatters of much later times, this as far as the Serbs/Slavs were concerned was nothing new and always could be expected, as past experience with Greek and Roman horrors had taught them.

German sources document that the first appearance of the Goths in Europe was 155 B.C. (Ostho-goths, West Goths and Gepidi) trustworthy Russian sources place them

80 years later. Serb/Slav territory’s Russian – Ukraine steps and the black Sea were the first regions to be attacked by the aggressive, barbaric tribal hordes.

Unfortunately the German Elite had not wasted their efforts. The historical defender of the Serbs in the modern thought - Syprien Robert – Had died, the Germans had succeeded in burying the truth with him and with all kinds of hidden nations and institutions unfriendly to the Slavs have created and are carrying out a whole new system of erasure of the Serbian past, just like today in Kosovo. Today Western powers have allowed all Serbian Christian churches and Monasteries (numbering in thousands) to belong to the Albanians even though over 95% of Albanians in Kosovo and Metohiya are actually Muslim!”
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It is interesting to analyse why the Germans call themselves Dueitch hence the term for their country Deutschland, whilst they are known by other neighbours as Allamagna or Germans. How is it possible that they are not called by others as they call themselves? The most likely reason of why this is would be that they are not the original inhabitants of this land as described, as invaders they had named this land with a name that is close to their identity replacing the original witch had no meaning of recognition to them. After uniting German peoples the name Deutschland was given „Land of the ditch”. The earliest term for the name German still survives in the Serbian culture, the last time this name was used was with the Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox church „Patriarch German”, the name German comes from the following:

Serbian pagan God German or Jerman personifies the nature of the sky, understood to be the master of grand clouds. In Serbia there is two dates that are celebrated as in the orthodox Christian calendar St.German 12. May according to the old calendar, is practised in a strict manner, so that it is believed there would be no hailstorms. Young maidens would make effigies in the shape of a man using earth, with this doll they would undergo certain rituals as would be used on a deceased man, this is done at a time when dry weather or rain is wished for […].

For dry weather a „German” is made from a broom and old cloths. This effigy is mourned through cries of wailing, and then buried as is done in a real burial with the deceased. St. Elijah (Sv. Ilija) is in control of the storms, St. German is in control of clouds and hailstorms… [S. Petrovic. Book.II. Serbian mythology]

Serbians have two dialects when pronouncing- German and „Djerman” (Jerman) the latter goes back deep into pre-history. It is interesting to note that the English language, of who they themselves (English) are of Germanic roots, do write while they do not pronounce Germany using the first letter of the word „G” but substitute this letter with the oral spoken letter „J” as once had the Serbs in „Djermania”. What is more of interest is that they did not seem to have a motive to erase the old name of Jermany(a) and use the then newly installed Goth united name Deutschland, as would be expected from such a close next of kin, as in practice Germanic races usually name countries ending with the term/word- Land?!

The link to Serbs in Germany is and should not be of surprise, today the Serby (Sorbs named by Germans) Carry on the torch of Serbian presence and to all that has been written in this book regarding Serbska Djermania. Germanized and forced to accept the Catholic religion, the Serby still to this day have the same blue, red and white flag as their Balkans brothers in Serbia, and still advocate against western pressure that their language is not Sorbian but Serbska

Placing this group in to an unknown as unknown Slavic origins, and mix matching the sorbs as Polish or Czech descendants the Germans, the Western historians have not succeeded in re-educating the Serby to their standards and expectations!. Here is the definition of the Western version of which the Sorbs are, taken from the new advent catholic encyclopaedia:

Lusatian Sorbs/Serbs

The Lusatian Sorbs are the residue of the Serbs of the Elbe who once spread across the Oder and Elbe, inhabiting the whole of the present Germany. During centuries of combat with the Germans their numbers gradually decreased. They are divided into three main groups: the Obotrites who inhabited the present Mecklenburg, Lüneburg, and Holstein whence they extended into the Old Mark; the Lutici or Veltae, who lived between the Oder and Elbe, the Baltic and the Varna; the Sorbs, who lived on the middle course of the Elbe between the Rivers Havel and Bober. The Lutici died out on the Island of Rügen at the beginning of the fifteenth century. In the middle of the sixteenth century there were still large numbers of Slavs in Lüneburg and in the northern part of the Old Mark, while their numbers were less in Mecklenburg and in Brandenburg. However, even in Lüneburg the last Slavs disappeared between 1750-60. Only the Lusatian Sorbs who lived nearer the borders of Bohemia have been able to maintain themselves in declining numbers until the present time. The reason probably is that for some time their territory belonged to Bohemia. At present the Lusatian Sorbs numbers about 150,000 persons on the upper course of the Spree. They are divided into two groups, which differ so decidedly from each other in speech and customs that some regard them as two peoples; they also have two separate literatures. They are rapidly becoming Germanized, especially in Lower Lusatia. The Lusatian Sorbs are Catholics with exception of 15,000 in Upper Lusatia…

It is strange that the most obvious characteristics of (Sorbs) the symbols of a race/nation, flag and language (which are exactly the same) are not associated with Balkan Serbs! If the argument is the difference in language- this would mean that the Serbs in Serbia who speak different dialects (as is in Shumadia and Pirot) are not of the same race, as would be with Londoners and peoples of Newcastle. Yet the Sorbs call their nation Serby, their language Serbska, these facts are so obvious in its simplicity the west insists and forces the issue that this cannot be so, therefore a more reasonable (to Them) explanation must exist, in complicated theories (That never end in an answer) that always have more then a dozen versions of wide and varied directions of the origins of Serbs in Germany. What seems to be the intention of western scholars and governments is to, at one end create an intellectual academic look on this subject, whilst in the same box mix the true facts with such distant, inaccurate theories - hence dilute and under value the truth, to an extent were it is overwhelmed with disinformation that the end result is a serious assessment and piecing together of false created information with next to no truth, giving rise to a study on a made up world of pre-history that never existed.
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And all this time the name and language of the Sorbs „SERBY AND SERBSKY” waving the Serbian flag of Blue, Red and White, Sings out the truth poking at the eyes of passers by. Those who have not been affected by childish, simple and obvious intentions of a designed western labyrinth which strips away common sense and the most basic of human logic,-spewing out what it has greedily digested. Since when does not one a named race, with the same name language, flag and regional names considered different peoples?

Here is a self description sorbs:

In an area south of Berlin, Lower Lusatia, the visitor will soon discover street signs written in two languages. This is the home of the Lower Sorbs. The Sorbs is a small group of Slavonic people who have maintained their language and culture. They practice their own customs and traditions and are also known as Wends. The term Wends comes from Latin and was used in the middle Ages to refer to various West Slavonic tribes and peoples settling in all Lusatia. One of these tribes, the Lusici, is the ancestors of the Lower Sorbs. Thus it is no coincidence that today the Lower Sorbs practice a great variety of customs and traditions that differ slightly from village to village.

Most of the customs practiced throughout the year originate from pre-Christian times. It is said, for example, that the Easter fire has a purifying effect. The cock is in the centre of some customs and symbolizes fertility. That is why it was believed that the extinction of a cock brings about new power for growing and prospering. A look back into history reveals that the practicing of customs and traditions in the villages was crucial in the process of self-preservation of the national individuality. Scarcely anywhere else in Lusatia were Sorbs treated so badly as in the southern part of Brandenburg under the King of Prussia's rule? Innumerable bans were placed on the Lower Sorbs' mother tongue and decisive Germanization took place in schools and churches. Prussian marching music was played at festive events and the German choir societies were ordered to discontinue their use of a variety of Sorbian folksongs. This all hurt the Lower Sorbian culture immensely.

Under the ruling of the margravate Lower Lusatia and later Brandenburg-Prussia, the „Wendish national character” was strongly repelled. In the year 1667 the founding of the Oberkonsistorium in Lübben, a church authority responsible for all parishes in the southern part of Brandenburg, marked the beginning of another Germanization period. This was the same year the national royal church started to intensively promote Germanization in all spheres of life. In the middle of the 17th century a step-by-step plan was approved to abolish the Lower Serbian language by order of Duke Christian I. In the following centuries this plan was executed with Prussian severity and persistence. In 1728 priests in Lower Lusatia were instructed that no child was to participate in communion without sufficient knowledge of the German language.

The state of Saxony is home of the Upper Serbs. Compared to Upper Lusatia it is no surprise that the conditions were different. In Lower Lusatia it was much harder to preserve the national individuality. In the 17th and 18th century alone, nearly 300 Serbian villages in Lower Lusatia were lost due to the politics of Germanization (Serb cleansing). Here it could be seen that German racial policy had been formed and practised a few hundred years before Adolph Hitler, constantly up to today.

During the 19th century there were only a few times when rigorous anti-Sorbian language politics was less effective. The Sorbian middle-class organized a national movement in the name of enlightenment. It never became strong enough to have an enduring effect. Most of the time organized struggles for nationalistic rights were quickly disbanded.

The founding of the German Reich in 1871 aggravated an already tense situation. A German National atmosphere intensified the anti-Serbian course of politics especially in Lower Lusatia. In 1896 the president of the province of Brandenburg urged state authorities, the church, and the public to continue Germanizing „the leftovers of the Wendish” – Vinds- Serbs.

Even after the founding of the Domowina in 1912, the umbrella organization of all Serbian/Sorbian associations in Upper and Lower Lusatia, the Prussian administration still did not reduce the pressure on priests and teachers. On the contrary, contacts between Lower Sorbs and representatives of the national movement in Upper Lusatia were considered pan-slavistic efforts. Therefore, any political endeavour was regarded as treason. Thus the effectiveness of the Domowina (Homeland) in Lower Lusatia was limited.

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Nevertheless, the people in the village communities made us of the remaining possibilities determined to preserve the cultural Sorbian identity. The spinning-room in each village functioned as the core of mar Sorbian customs and tradition it was here where the people organized and planned all youth festivities throughout the year. It was also a place where youth learnt Sorbian folksongs passed down from generation to generation. Every year about three new songs were introduced in the communities. In the middle of the 19th century Smoler and Haupt published nearly 500 Sorbian songs in the book „Folksongs of Upper and Lower Sorbs”. Since then more than 1000 folksongs have been collected and published.

While you are visiting South Brandenburg you may often encounter women dressed in the traditional Sorbian everyday wear. On certain weekends you will also see many children and young women in festive dresses portraying and preserving old Sorbian customs.

Although, from generation to generation, there were some who renounced their Slavonic heritage many more have continued the fostering of traditions and customs in Lower Lusatia. One may wonder whether it is the appreciation of the beauty and the diversity of this culture itself, the defiance against ridicule of one's culture, or the strong intention to preserve one's Slavonic identity that has helped keep the Sorbian culture alive. These as well as many others are reasons for the uniqueness of traditions and customs you can still find in this part of Germany.

A custom is determined by its social dimension. It takes a group of people or the whole village community to preserve a custom. Communal spirit and the sense of a common bond are also characteristics that are decisive in preserving customs of the past and today. Repeating customs leads to tradition. Every custom has its own history and undergoes certain developments. As much as the Sorbian groups have changed, their customs have changed accordingly. Even functions have changed which quite often merge into one another. The world of customs and traditions is not static but dynamic. Only the Sorbian origin will remain to be the background for any developments in Lusatia. That is why the uniqueness of this culture needs to be saved and preserved as much as possible despite other future developments. Thus „old Sorbian customs” embody a particular value and have a specific meaning for the future. It remains the positive realization that the Serbian folk culture has always been a very significant link between Germans and Serbians. In the process of building a unified Europe and striving to extend the relations to Slavonic neighbouring states Serbian culture will play a more important role.

The German political and historical elite (Berlin-Vienna and German-Nordic school of History) have joined forces to disapprove of any Slavic S presents upon the land of today’s Germany and the world. They have been constantly trying to show the Serbs (Slavs) as a race that are parasites who poured into Europe and taken lands from others. Like Greeks the Serbs were living upon these lands of Europe long before the Goths, their so-called ancestors arrived. It could be said that the Germans formed a nation upon the Invaded and divided lands of Serbian Kingdoms. As late as the period of Carl the Great, all land from across the Rhine was not German, it was Serb. Austria today was once inhabited only by Serbs with their Capital city called Vindabona – now named Vienna, in Prussia until the 16th century the only parasites were the Germans who lived there under the Authority of the Serbs (Today’s Sorbs).„

Whole regions surrounding the Maine were Serbian under the name: Regione Slavorum juxtu ripam flumine moin. Old Serbian names bare witness to Serbian presence and ownership, not to say the original settlers, before the Persian (Goth) invasion. Names such as were: Golohova, Inogova, Panchevo (Панђеьо), Durigin, Matalagi, Hlstkovo, Streva, Matakova, Milichan, Sulikova, Riyechin, Trgova, Bara, Bela Voda- Weibwassser, Rechich, Slapats (Šabac), Tsigoolin, Jastov.

Rivers: Ititsa, Viraga – Ver, Vraga – Aurach Vila, Saltsa, Choobara, Rota, Velina, Loog, Buda, Vetrova, Looganova, Pazentsa, Ishanishka. Salitskova is now called Salzburg, Ratisbona, Radopana. In Thurungia a river carries the name Sarbecz, Serebes- Schrabitz; Serbiste- Ciervisti- Zerbiste; Serbst- Ziruuisti- Zerbst; Serbitse- Zörbig- Zurbici; Ludvigora and Slavitsa (Слаьица), Srbach, Lutogora – Ljutogora and Slavica (Слаьица), Slepo- Schleife, Baba Planina – Babae montes from which Babenberg – Bamberg had taken its name, river Utica – Utitsa, Trubeza, Sovacha, Byelak (bjeljak), Nartovo, Mootovo, Soltsa, Machiha, Prama, river Brama, Varnitsa, Bara, Celovec- Klagenfurt; Kostice- Kostanz ;Mordanova, Kalchooga, Vrnitsa, Brenta, Jakovo (Yakovo), Barigin, Breg, Dverigova, Jastevo (Yastvo), Rogovo. Altenburg - Starohrod , Bad Doberan - Doberan ,Beljina – Berlin, Bautzen - Budysin , Berg on Rьgen - Gуra , Brandenburg - Branibor ; Cvikov- Zwickau; Calau - Kalava , Cottbus - Chocebuѕ , Dargun - Dargun , Deberlug - Dobryіug , Demmin - Dymin , Dresden - Drjeѕdјany , Elbe river - Јobjo , Erfurt - Jarobrod , Groitzsch - Grodјi№жo , Havel river - Hobola , Havelsberg - Hobolin , Jahna - Gana ( doesn't exist anymore ) , Kamenica- Kamer, Kamenica- Chemnitz; Kцpenick - Kopjenik , Lebus – Lubuno - Ljubino , Lubjov- Lubbenau, Lubin- Lubben Leipzig - Lipsk – Lipa, Leitzkau - Leska , Lubeck – Lubice - Ljubica , Magdeburg - Dјмwin ,; Mersenburg – Mjezjibor, Mišen- Meissen , Mulde river - Modіa , Naumburg - Namgrad , Bocov- Oranienburg; Oder river – Vodra; Oldenburg –Starigrad; , Peene river - Piana , Platkow - Bіoto ; Postupim- Potsdam; Prignitz - Przegnica Rethra – Radegosch ( doesn't exist anymore ), Ratzeburg – Ratibor; Režno/Ratisbona- Regensburg; Rochlitz – Rochelice, Rostock – Roztoka, Rugen island – Rugia, Saale river – Soyava, Schwerin – Svarits; Štrubina- Straubing; Štihrad –Stuttgart; Svinibrod- Schweinfurt;; Stolp – Stoіp, Tornow – Tornov, Usedom island – Uznoim, Werben – Vjerbno, Wismar – Vinomir, Vojereci- Hoyerswerda; Zwickau – Vikava, Zhorljec- Görlitz; Zverin- Schwerin; Jibrovice- Überlingen; Serbiste- Ciervisti- Zerbiste;

In Austria Serbian names are: Serbomatra – Vindishmatra, Breg – Bregentz, Crnavac (Tsrnavats), Greden, Gradaćac- Graz, Innsbruck- Inomost, Kamina, Kladenac (Kladenats), Peshtera, Mala, Klesh, Medlik- Melk

Laca (Latsa), Likacha, Vltov, Vindabona – Vienna and so on. This is a small and impressive list of Serbian towns in Austria and Germany, major cities were established and built by Serbs, unfortunately the Germans were extremely successful in eliminating and chagrining vast amounts of other Serbian named regions in to the Germanic language (m.milojevic page 121)


Far more important than colonisation, was a Germanization of the Serbs, who, as the Empire's subjects lost their language and ethnic identity during the centuries of German domination and oppression. When the Serbs found themselves under German rule, they soon realised that the old days would never return and their situation could only be improved if they joined mainstream German life. There is no doubt that this was the most important factor which contributed to the loss of their ethnic identity in almost the entire Serbian regions. During the ages of Serb, German coexistence, Germans practiced mass extermination on the indigenous Serb population. Areas were depopulated and impoverished by centuries of war, but certainly there were no deserted wastelands as the same areas were repopulated with the Flemish. Civilian’s Serb population suffered mostly during the conquest and numerous rebellions. The Germans were ruthless during the war. Certainly after the conquest Christianisation of the Serbs claimed great numbers of victims among the civilians. Imposition of the new religion involved destruction of pagan idols and places of worship such as Veles, horned Serb god of cattle declared later as the devil and it was met with strong resistance. In the course of conversion, the pagan priests and defenders of old beliefs were not spared. A reason used by the Goths with the blessing of the papal state to Germanize part of the Serbs through the Roman Catholics faith, then pit them against their own kin who were not willing to give up the practice of the old Serbian religion of Triglav, Veles and Perun lasting up to the late 19th Century.

It appears, then, that the fallacy of total extermination served its purpose as a propaganda tool for the champions of racial purity and German chauvinists, especially during the Nazi Era. The Germans portrayed them selves as Slav-eaters and cruel beasts. Many claims of almost total annihilation Serbs were written in the Helmold of Bossau chronicle, which on a number of occasions, stated that the Serbs were completely wiped out in most areas.”
22. jul 2018. u 18.26
А сад нам постирај линк извора, унапред хвала.
25. jul 2018. u 00.47
02. avgust 2018. u 12.56
„The Lusatian Sorbs are the residue of the Serbs of the Elbe who once spread across the Oder and Elbe, inhabiting the whole of the present Germany. During centuries of combat with the Germans their numbers gradually decreased. They are divided into three main groups: the Obotrites who inhabited the present Mecklenburg, Lüneburg, and Holstein whence they extended into the Old Mark; the Lutici or Veltae, who lived between the Oder and Elbe, the Baltic and the Varna; the Sorbs, who lived on the middle course of the Elbe between the Rivers Havel and Bober. The Lutici died out on the Island of Rügen at the beginning of the fifteenth century.

Voleo bih da vidim makar JEDAN, jedini autentični izvor iz Srednjeg veka koji bi potvrdio prvu rečenicu iz ovog citata. U svim izvorima se govori o Slovenima a ne, nikada, o Sorbima ili Srbima.
03. avgust 2018. u 13.55
Ako nema izvora, može i neki indirektni dokaz. Ali čvrst. Uglavnom se sve svodi na to da su od polapskih & baltičkih Slovena preživeli samo Lužički Srbi. A preživeli su, kao što piše u tekstu, zato što su živeli i žive na granici sa Bohemijom. Tako da se vrtimo u krug.
06. avgust 2018. u 07.37
Da, po običaju. Kada postavim konkretno i važno pitanje, tajac.
07. avgust 2018. u 09.10
Ajmo ovako, redom :

„In Thurungia a river carries the name Sarbecz, Serebes- Schrabitz; Serbiste- Ciervisti- Zerbiste; Serbst- Ziruuisti- Zerbst; Serbitse- Zörbig- Zurbici; Ludvigora and Slavitsa (Слаьица), Srbach, Lutogora – Ljutogora and Slavica (Слаьица), Slepo- Schleife”.

Turingija znači ima imena reka koje ukazuju na srpsko porklo tamošnjeg stanovništva. Šta znamo o Turingiji iz istorijskih izvora? Znamo da su ujedinjeni Sloveni, koji su uključivali Srbe, 631. izvršili veliku invaziju na ovu teritoriju, o čemu svedočl Fredegar. Ali zašto bi Srbi i ostali Sloveni izvršili invaziju na teritoriju koja bi, prema imenima ovih reka, vež bila srpska prethodno? Od kojeg veka su Germani naseljavali Turingiju? Od kojeg veka su Srbi naseljavali Turingiju? Ovo su vrlo zanimljiva pitanja. Šafarik takođe piše o ovome, oko 1849.

07. avgust 2018. u 19.37
„It is interesting to analyse why the Germans call themselves Dueitch hence the term for their country Deutschland, whilst they are known by other neighbours as Allamagna or Germans. How is it possible that they are not called by others as they call themselves? The most likely reason of why this is would be that they are not the original inhabitants of this land as described, as invaders they had named this land with a name that is close to their identity replacing the original witch had no meaning of recognition to them. After uniting German peoples the name Deutschland was given ”Land of the ditch„”

O Bože. Pa i Vendi nisu sebe zvali tako, nego su ih tako zvali njihovi susedi.

07. avgust 2018. u 20.36
„ The Rugians were great warriors and at one time all Serbs accepted their rule. ”

Kamo lepe sreće da je tako i bilo. A možda i jeste. Otkud znam. Ovo je jako čudan tekst, koji zahteva da se pročita više puta, i koji zahteva gomilu objašnjenja i odgovora.

Ono što znam sa sigurnošću je sledeće: na ostrvu Rujan, tj. na rtu Arkona, kako su verovali paganski Sloveni, nalazio se Irij - to jest, prolaz za raj.

Zato se sve raspalo nakon invazije 1169.

10. jul 2020. u 23.00
Prije 1300 godina, istok današnje Njemačke između Elbe i Odera gotovo je pusto. Ali tada stranci s istoka, Slaveni, ulaze u plodnu zemlju. Naseljavaju se u 7. stoljeću poslije Krista. Tko je bio ovaj narod koji je svoj trag ostavio svuda u istočnoj i južnoj Europi?

Kasnije pripadaju posljednjim paganima usred Europe i imaju tajanstvenu povijest do danas u kojoj su otvorena mnoga pitanja i ima mjesta za legende i mitove. Oni se brane od moćnih protivnika i oblikuju srednji vijek između Elbe i Odera svojom seoskom kulturom i vjerom u prirodne bogove. Nisu kraljevi i carevi, već poljoprivrednici i zanatlije; nikad nisu našli svoju državu i ipak su odlučno oblikovali današnje narode.

Slavenski preci tijekom stoljeća pridonijeli su razvoju današnjeg europskog civilnog društva. Slavenska plemena dokumentirana su od 7. stoljeća, a postoje svjedočenja o oružanim sukobima i poganskom štovanju. Kako su se Slaveni razvijali stoljećima bez utvrđenih nacionalnih granica, kultivirali svoje običaje, religije i kulture i konačno uspjeli sačuvati velik dio njih do danas?

Dokumentarni film prati grupu Slavena između Elbe i Odera kroz stoljeća, prati ih u raznim sukobima, promatra njihove običaje i obrede te pokazuje njihove vještine preživljavanja i njihovu borbu za vlastiti identitet na pozadini velikih povijesnih previranja.

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